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Venus Airships / by Brad Guth
On May 29, 9:37 am, Dan wrote:
BradGuth wrote: On May 28, 9:42 pm, Dan wrote: BradGuth wrote: On May 28, 6:31 am, Dan wrote: BradGuth wrote: How the heck did my good name get sucked down into the newsgroup pit of sci.geo.geology? What good name? Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired Just because I haven't lied to myself or others about there being WMD, nor having killed off my fair share of mostly innocent Muslims. isn't enough just cause for speaking in a derogatory or mean spirited way about my good name. What do you honestly think about a federally mandated price set of $10/ gallon on civilian road and aviation fuel, so that myself and and most all others (including yourself) I can directly and indirectly help finance WWIII? Of course most of everything else would likely inflate by at least 100%, but then it too is for the good cause. Seemingly, that is what you and those of your Zionist DARPA guys and gals of the dark side want, isn't it? . - Brad Guth I suppose that makes sense to you. Don't let reality get in the way of your delusions. Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired And that has what to do with the R&D of creating those composite rigid airships for Venus? How about the required technical expertise of flying such an airship (robotic or manned) within that thick soup of the Venusian lower atmosphere? Obviously you're in favor of job security via war (hot or cold). In that case we could go to war against whomever is currently situated on or in any way utilizing Venus, by simply claiming they have WMD and every intentions of utilizing such. After all, they could be outsiders and Muslims to boot. . - Brad Guth Anyway, guth, back to your claim of having a "good name." In every group you have polluted with your presence your name is equivalent to the terms racist, paranoid, deluded, crude, dense and a few more. You'd be hard pressed to find anyone who respects you. Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired Unlike yourself, I just don't like sleeping with or otherwise brown- nosing them bad guys. .. - Brad Guth |
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Venus Airships / by Brad Guth
On May 29, 8:59 am, (Andrew Robert Breen) wrote:
In article , Jay Maynard wrote: On 2008-05-29, BradGuth wrote: How about the required technical expertise of flying such an airship (robotic or manned) within that thick soup of the Venusian lower atmosphere? How does this relate to rec.aviation.piloting? Nobody here knows anything about the subject, largely because *nobody* knows anything about the subject. Though it pains me to even reply to a reply to the manifestly delusional Guthball, balloons - though not airships - /have/ been flown in Venus atmosphe at least two of the Soviet missions to Venus in the 80s launched aerostats, and they yielded some very interesting (and, in some cases, still not fully explained) measurements of atmospheric composition[1]. They were flying in the upper cloud layers, mind. The Venera landers established pretty well why you'd not try to fly balloons near the surface. Too dam' hot, and boiling H2SO4 rain would hurt, too. At 35 km or below by day, or perhaps of 25 km or below by season of nighttime is crystal dry and harmless, whereas that H2SO4 and even pure S8 is relatively crystal dry, and thus kinda harmless stuff. Are you saying there's lots of water within them thick and robust clouds? (because you'd be correct) [1] And dynamics. Because it rotates so slowly and because of the angle of its rotation axis, Venus has /very/ odd weather systems.. That's always good to know about, especially before cruising any composite form of a rigid airship well below them acidic clouds. .. - Brad Guth |
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Venus Airships / by Brad Guth
On May 29, 7:47 am, Jay Maynard
wrote: On 2008-05-29, BradGuth wrote: How about the required technical expertise of flying such an airship (robotic or manned) within that thick soup of the Venusian lower atmosphere? How does this relate to rec.aviation.piloting? Nobody here knows anything about the subject, largely because *nobody* knows anything about the subject. I'm certainly not looking for absolute perfection, but would you like to help R&D this rigid airship anyway? .. - Brad Guth |
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Venus Airships / by Brad Guth
BradGuth wrote:
On May 29, 9:37 am, Dan wrote: BradGuth wrote: On May 28, 9:42 pm, Dan wrote: BradGuth wrote: On May 28, 6:31 am, Dan wrote: BradGuth wrote: How the heck did my good name get sucked down into the newsgroup pit of sci.geo.geology? What good name? Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired Just because I haven't lied to myself or others about there being WMD, nor having killed off my fair share of mostly innocent Muslims. isn't enough just cause for speaking in a derogatory or mean spirited way about my good name. What do you honestly think about a federally mandated price set of $10/ gallon on civilian road and aviation fuel, so that myself and and most all others (including yourself) I can directly and indirectly help finance WWIII? Of course most of everything else would likely inflate by at least 100%, but then it too is for the good cause. Seemingly, that is what you and those of your Zionist DARPA guys and gals of the dark side want, isn't it? . - Brad Guth I suppose that makes sense to you. Don't let reality get in the way of your delusions. Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired And that has what to do with the R&D of creating those composite rigid airships for Venus? How about the required technical expertise of flying such an airship (robotic or manned) within that thick soup of the Venusian lower atmosphere? Obviously you're in favor of job security via war (hot or cold). In that case we could go to war against whomever is currently situated on or in any way utilizing Venus, by simply claiming they have WMD and every intentions of utilizing such. After all, they could be outsiders and Muslims to boot. . - Brad Guth Anyway, guth, back to your claim of having a "good name." In every group you have polluted with your presence your name is equivalent to the terms racist, paranoid, deluded, crude, dense and a few more. You'd be hard pressed to find anyone who respects you. Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired Unlike yourself, I just don't like sleeping with or otherwise brown- nosing them bad guys. . - Brad Guth I'm sure that makes sense to you. Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired |
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Venus Airships / by Brad Guth
BradGuth wrote:
I'm certainly not looking for absolute perfection, but would you like to help R&D this rigid airship anyway? I think I can offer some guidance. (Followups set to the only newsgroup I believe this thread now belongs.) There are two resources you should begin with: This paper: "HIGH TEMPERATURE MATERIALS FOR VENUS BALLOON ENVELOPES" Which you can find online he http://trs-new.jpl.nasa.gov/dspace/b.../1/95-0417.pdf And this book, which is the most "modern" text available on the subject of airship design: "Airship Technology" Edited by Khoury and Gillett Available he http://www.amazon.com/Airship-Techno...29796&sr= 8-1 Other books and web sites worth adding to a research library on airships include: "Airship Design" by Burgess Old but still useful and available he http://www.amazon.com/Airship-Design...pd_sim_b_img_1 "Airship Aerodynamics" By the U.S. War Department Originally intended for training of Navy airship personnel but a short yet effective guide to basic concepts. Available he http://www.amazon.com/Airship-Aerody..._bxgy_b_text_b The website of the Experimental Lighter than Air organization: http://www.xlta.org/ There are a couple of PDF docs worth downloading in the LIBRARY page and further links to other sites in the LINKS page (naturally). Hope some of this helps. |
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Venus Airships / by Brad Guth
BradGuth wrote in
: On May 29, 7:47 am, Jay Maynard wrote: On 2008-05-29, BradGuth wrote: How about the required technical expertise of flying such an airship (robotic or manned) within that thick soup of the Venusian lower atmosphere? How does this relate to rec.aviation.piloting? Nobody here knows anything about the subject, largely because *nobody* knows anything about the subject. I'm certainly not looking for absolute perfection, but would you like to help R&D this rigid airship anyway? . - Brad Guth Hey, hey could probably make one out of old beer mats and some of those chemical light sticks.. Bertie |
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Venus Airships / by Brad Guth
"Scott Hedrick" wrote in news:e83d8$483f658f$2870
@news.teranews.com: "Dan" wrote in message ... BradGuth wrote: How the heck did my good name get sucked down into the newsgroup pit of sci.geo.geology? What good name? If he has a good name, why doesn't he use it instead of "Brad Guth"? Bwawahwhhahwhahw! Bertie |
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Venus Airships / by Brad Guth
On May 29, 11:56 pm, Jim Logajan wrote:
BradGuth wrote: I'm certainly not looking for absolute perfection, but would you like to help R&D this rigid airship anyway? I think I can offer some guidance. (Followups set to the only newsgroup I believe this thread now belongs.) There are two resources you should begin with: This paper: "HIGH TEMPERATURE MATERIALS FOR VENUS BALLOON ENVELOPES" Which you can find online hehttp://trs-new.jpl.nasa.gov/dspace/b.../1/95-0417.pdf And this book, which is the most "modern" text available on the subject of airship design: "Airship Technology" Edited by Khoury and Gillett Available hehttp://www.amazon.com/Airship-Techno...space-Khoury/d... Other books and web sites worth adding to a research library on airships include: "Airship Design" by Burgess Old but still useful and available hehttp://www.amazon.com/Airship-Design...dp/1410211738/... "Airship Aerodynamics" By the U.S. War Department Originally intended for training of Navy airship personnel but a short yet effective guide to basic concepts. Available hehttp://www.amazon.com/Airship-Aerody...r-Department/d... The website of the Experimental Lighter than Air organization: http://www.xlta.org/ There are a couple of PDF docs worth downloading in the LIBRARY page and further links to other sites in the LINKS page (naturally). Hope some of this helps. For some odd reasons this reply of mine wasn't getting posted to all of the intended groups. So, here's one more time for the old Guth gipper. Thanks once again for all of that constructive and only somewhat outdated though informative leads, but also some of that rather silly balloon sport feedback has its place, much of which I've seen dozens of times before. It seems folks expect little old me to accomplish 100+% of everything. I didn't realize that I was being thought of as far better than Einstein that had teams of assistants (aka minions and peers) working as an intellectual cartel on his behalf. By way of expressing rigid composite should suggest this is not an inflated balloon application, as proposed by Yavrouian, not that efficiently ballooning science instruments below them thick clouds isn't technically doable as relatively cheap, especially on behalf of the micro electronic packages that involve so little mass and require such little energy as they outperform their task in most every aspect. Starting from scratch, this custom rigid composite airship is capable of good size and substantial payload, and its going to be like nothing ever before utilized on Earth or any other planet. Perhaps the closest analogy of anything terrestrial is going to be a nuclear submarine, whereas instead having its Venus buoyancy created by either a vacuum that’s easily managed by way of getting CO2 pumped out, or merely displaced from the top down with the failsafe gas of hydrogen. I was thinking along the lines of using rigid/hard composite spheres, arranged into an airship format (5 in tandem) that’s kind of aerodynamically suited to the task at hand. This application requires more than a simple balloon, especially if active flight and navigation is incorporated. . – Brad Guth |
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Venus Airships / by Brad Guth
Interesting, as to how the entire DARPA Usenet/newsgroup thing grinds
itself to a bloody halt whenever something really interesting comes along. It's as though the Planet Venus is just as DARPA taboo/nondisclosure rated as is our physically dark moon, so much so that not even the regular laws of physics nor the best available science can be discussed without my having to receive more than my fair share of mainstream status quo flak. If you'd care to learn more (1-253-8576061), or just to share and share alike would be kinda nice. Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth On May 31, 11:06 am, BradGuth wrote: On May 29, 11:56 pm, Jim Logajan wrote: BradGuth wrote: I'm certainly not looking for absolute perfection, but would you like to help R&D this rigid airship anyway? I think I can offer some guidance. (Followups set to the only newsgroup I believe this thread now belongs.) There are two resources you should begin with: This paper: "HIGH TEMPERATURE MATERIALS FOR VENUS BALLOON ENVELOPES" Which you can find online hehttp://trs-new.jpl.nasa.gov/dspace/b.../1/95-0417.pdf And this book, which is the most "modern" text available on the subject of airship design: "Airship Technology" Edited by Khoury and Gillett Available hehttp://www.amazon.com/Airship-Techno...space-Khoury/d... Other books and web sites worth adding to a research library on airships include: "Airship Design" by Burgess Old but still useful and available hehttp://www.amazon.com/Airship-Design...dp/1410211738/... "Airship Aerodynamics" By the U.S. War Department Originally intended for training of Navy airship personnel but a short yet effective guide to basic concepts. Available hehttp://www.amazon.com/Airship-Aerody...r-Department/d... The website of the Experimental Lighter than Air organization: http://www.xlta.org/ There are a couple of PDF docs worth downloading in the LIBRARY page and further links to other sites in the LINKS page (naturally). Hope some of this helps. For some odd reasons this reply of mine wasn't getting posted to all of the intended groups. So, here's one more time for the oldGuth gipper. Thanks once again for all of that constructive and only somewhat outdated though informative leads, but also some of that rather silly balloon sport feedback has its place, much of which I've seen dozens of times before. It seems folks expect little old me to accomplish 100+% of everything. I didn't realize that I was being thought of as far better than Einstein that had teams of assistants (aka minions and peers) working as an intellectual cartel on his behalf. By way of expressing rigid composite should suggest this is not an inflated balloon application, as proposed by Yavrouian, not that efficiently ballooning science instruments below them thick clouds isn't technically doable as relatively cheap, especially on behalf of the micro electronic packages that involve so little mass and require such little energy as they outperform their task in most every aspect. Starting from scratch, this custom rigid composite airship is capable of good size and substantial payload, and its going to be like nothing ever before utilized on Earth or any other planet. Perhaps the closest analogy of anything terrestrial is going to be a nuclear submarine, whereas instead having its Venus buoyancy created by either a vacuum that’s easily managed by way of getting CO2 pumped out, or merely displaced from the top down with the failsafe gas of hydrogen. I was thinking along the lines of using rigid/hard composite spheres, arranged into an airship format (5 in tandem) that’s kind of aerodynamically suited to the task at hand. This application requires more than a simple balloon, especially if active flight and navigation is incorporated. . –BradGuth |
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Venus Airships / by Brad Guth
On May 5, 6:19*am, BradGuth wrote:
On May 5, 12:34 am, LIBERATOR wrote: Brad what did you think of that "Disclosure Project"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vyVe-6YdUkorwww.disclosureproject.org Thanks to our popular mainstream media that'll publish and/or exclude whatever they're told by those in charge, and otherwise by that of our "no child left behind" policy, I didn't here a darn thing about it, and Usenet/Groups certainly didn't make much if anything of it. (wonder why) Besides the fact that ETs do exist, and that it's quite likely they have also existed/coexisted on Venus (because that's technically doable), what if anything of this "Disclosure Project" doings had anything whatsoever to do with any composite rigid airship, as intended for cruising Venus? In other words, why did you fail to grasp the meaning or intent of this topic "Venus Airships"? . - Brad Guth Brad, it's all related. The Venus airships are flying saucers and nothing else. The Venus beings are humans, almost exact to us. It's a heavily populated planet with Earth humanoids so exact we couldn't tell if they were walking around on Earth - and some probably are. |
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