I want to buy a plane by year-end but they're not making it easy.

I am a licensed real estate agent. You would be amazed at some of the people
walking in planning to buy a $200,000 home but have bad credit, no income,
$25,000 in credit card debt, etc.

I learned pretty quickly not to bother with someone who isn't pre-qualified.

There is a saying in the business "Buyers are Liars".

I'm sure Piper, Cirrus and Tiger think you're another wanabe who wants a
free ride in one of their planes. They need some way to weed out the
rif-raf, and unfortunately, you're looking alot like rif-raf.




"Dan Engleman" wrote in message
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"T.Roger" wrote in message
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I don't have my ticket yet -- and I'm really committed because I want to
buy
my own plane to train and fly -- and I want to take advantage of the tax
write-off about to expire at year end.///

I've been at this since August.
But, hell, they're not making it easy.




Hey T. Roger,

I feel your pain (well kinda). I mess with a little real estate and run
into
the same thing. In order to look at a property
you must be "pre-qualified" with many brokers. Well.......I may pay cash.
So
I am not going to go through the process of filling out a credit
application, etc.

There is a trade off on this though. Real estate agents and aircraft
dealers
don't have time to mess with all the "flakes" who would like to buy
something, but don't have the resourses.
You made the statement about "trying" to get financing for a 200k
purchase.....they probably picked up on that. Most people who want to make
a
200k purchase don't have any doubt about getting the money, as I don't
have
any doubt about getting the money for real estate purchases.

Perhaps if you were a little more circumspect with them?????

Of course if you are 22 years old you will have to prove that you are a
rock
star, professional athlete, etc. :-)

Good luck,

Dan

Steve Foley wrote:

I am a licensed real estate agent. You would be amazed at some of the people
walking in planning to buy a $200,000 home but have bad credit, no income,
$25,000 in credit card debt, etc.

I learned pretty quickly not to bother with someone who isn't pre-qualified.

There is a saying in the business "Buyers are Liars".

That must be the definition of the pot calling the kettle black! :-)

I rank real estate agents right along side used car salesman...

Matt

It is just part of an old saying:

"All buyers are liars, all sellers are thieves"

Mike
MU-2

"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
...
Steve Foley wrote:

I am a licensed real estate agent. You would be amazed at some of the
people
walking in planning to buy a $200,000 home but have bad credit, no
income,
$25,000 in credit card debt, etc.

I learned pretty quickly not to bother with someone who isn't
pre-qualified.

There is a saying in the business "Buyers are Liars".

That must be the definition of the pot calling the kettle black! :-)

I rank real estate agents right along side used car salesman...

Matt

I'm analogizing buying a plane with buying a car. I test-drove my Lexus
before I bought it and I wouldn't have purchased it otherwise. Why in hell
would I buy a Piper without a demo?



"Steve Foley" wrote in message
...
I am a licensed real estate agent. You would be amazed at some of the
people
walking in planning to buy a $200,000 home but have bad credit, no income,
$25,000 in credit card debt, etc.

I learned pretty quickly not to bother with someone who isn't
pre-qualified.

There is a saying in the business "Buyers are Liars".

I'm sure Piper, Cirrus and Tiger think you're another wanabe who wants a
free ride in one of their planes. They need some way to weed out the
rif-raf, and unfortunately, you're looking alot like rif-raf.




"Dan Engleman" wrote in message
...

"T.Roger" wrote in message
. com...
I don't have my ticket yet -- and I'm really committed because I want to
buy
my own plane to train and fly -- and I want to take advantage of the
tax
write-off about to expire at year end.///

I've been at this since August.
But, hell, they're not making it easy.




Hey T. Roger,

I feel your pain (well kinda). I mess with a little real estate and run
into
the same thing. In order to look at a property
you must be "pre-qualified" with many brokers. Well.......I may pay cash.
So
I am not going to go through the process of filling out a credit
application, etc.

There is a trade off on this though. Real estate agents and aircraft
dealers
don't have time to mess with all the "flakes" who would like to buy
something, but don't have the resourses.
You made the statement about "trying" to get financing for a 200k
purchase.....they probably picked up on that. Most people who want to
make
a
200k purchase don't have any doubt about getting the money, as I don't
have
any doubt about getting the money for real estate purchases.

Perhaps if you were a little more circumspect with them?????

Of course if you are 22 years old you will have to prove that you are a
rock
star, professional athlete, etc. :-)

Good luck,

Dan

Steve Foley wrote:
I am a licensed real estate agent. You would be amazed at some of the people
walking in planning to buy a $200,000 home but have bad credit, no income,
$25,000 in credit card debt, etc.

I learned pretty quickly not to bother with someone who isn't pre-qualified.

Remind me not to hire you as an agent. I can't tell you if I've ever bought
or sold a house to a party that was "pre-qualified" which by the way, pretty
much means squat anyhow.

OK, Please don't hire me as your agent.


"Ron Natalie" wrote in message
...
Steve Foley wrote:


Remind me not to hire you as an agent. I can't tell you if I've ever
bought
or sold a house to a party that was "pre-qualified" which by the way,
pretty
much means squat anyhow.

"Steve Foley" wrote in message
...
OK, Please don't hire me as your agent.

Not to worry. I have no intention of wrecking my business.




"Ron Natalie" wrote in message
...
Steve Foley wrote:


Remind me not to hire you as an agent. I can't tell you if I've ever
bought
or sold a house to a party that was "pre-qualified" which by the way,
pretty
much means squat anyhow.

Steve Foley wrote:

I learned pretty quickly not to bother with someone who isn't
pre-qualified.

There is a saying in the business "Buyers are Liars".


Well...

When I first moved into this area (NJ) with my shortly-to-be-wife, we went
first to a real estate agency to find a place to rent. They wanted us to
fill out all sorts of nonsense before we could even talk to someone to ask
if they'd anything that fit our (rather specific) criteria. When we pushed
the idea that we should know they've something for us before we waste our
time, we were told pretty much what you've written.

We walked. We tell everyone to avoid that place. Or we used to; they're
gone now (it's been years since they disappeared).

We found another place and dealt with them. They treated us royally even
through we were renting some (by their standards) dinky little place. So
we used them when we bought our townhouse. And we used them again when we
bought our house.

At least two pairs of friends also used them on our recommendation, buying
fairly large expensive homes (one of which is downright incredible!).

They're still in business, BTW.

When we first dealt with that better agency, I was a little uncomfortable at
just how well we were treated. Didn't they realize how little we were
spending? From my current perspective, I see the wisdom in their behavior
and I carry that lesson into my own business.

- Andrew

On 2-Dec-2004, Andrew Gideon wrote:

We found another place and dealt with them. They treated us royally even
through we were renting some (by their standards) dinky little place. So
we used them when we bought our townhouse. And we used them again when
we bought our house.

At least two pairs of friends also used them on our recommendation, buying
fairly large expensive homes (one of which is downright incredible!).

They're still in business, BTW.


It's the same reason that smart FBOs, that plan to be around for a while,
offer good service to a young guy dropping by in need of just a few gallons
of avgas for his 172.
--
-Elliott Drucker

"Steve Foley" wrote in message
...
I am a licensed real estate agent. You would be amazed at some of the
people
walking in planning to buy a $200,000 home but have bad credit, no income,
$25,000 in credit card debt, etc.

I learned pretty quickly not to bother with someone who isn't
pre-qualified.


I have bought many houses and was never "pre-qualified." As someone else
said, it means jack-sh*t. You would be amazed at all the "realtors" out
there who have no idea what they are doing. I have had to fill out more
offers due to ignorance and timidness than I should have to because the
realtors had no idea what they were doing.


There is a saying in the business "Buyers are Liars".

I'm sure Piper, Cirrus and Tiger think you're another wanabe who wants a
free ride in one of their planes. They need some way to weed out the
rif-raf, and unfortunately, you're looking alot like rif-raf.




"Dan Engleman" wrote in message
...

"T.Roger" wrote in message
. com...
I don't have my ticket yet -- and I'm really committed because I want to
buy
my own plane to train and fly -- and I want to take advantage of the
tax
write-off about to expire at year end.///

I've been at this since August.
But, hell, they're not making it easy.




Hey T. Roger,

I feel your pain (well kinda). I mess with a little real estate and run
into
the same thing. In order to look at a property
you must be "pre-qualified" with many brokers. Well.......I may pay cash.
So
I am not going to go through the process of filling out a credit
application, etc.

There is a trade off on this though. Real estate agents and aircraft
dealers
don't have time to mess with all the "flakes" who would like to buy
something, but don't have the resourses.
You made the statement about "trying" to get financing for a 200k
purchase.....they probably picked up on that. Most people who want to
make
a
200k purchase don't have any doubt about getting the money, as I don't
have
any doubt about getting the money for real estate purchases.

Perhaps if you were a little more circumspect with them?????

Of course if you are 22 years old you will have to prove that you are a
rock
star, professional athlete, etc. :-)

Good luck,

Dan