Would this plane have flown?

I don't call ahead and make arrangements for a mechanic at every airport I
land at. If something goes wrong, I'll deal with the problem.

"Juan Jimenez" wrote in message
om...
Purely from an academic standpoint, I'm curious why people go into remote
areas of a foreign country (particularly one like Mexico) without some way
of calling for help if they get stuck, not having made
arrangements/contacts
with a local mechanic in case there were some kind of problem, etc. People
who can afford having an A&P come down to Mexico to fix a problem ought to
be able to afford a little planning ahead for eventualities just like this
one. Academically speaking, of course.

Juan

"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
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http://www.thegaryhouse.com/aircraftdamage/

I was down in a remote area of Mexico this last weekend and a truck
backed into my aileron. I was lucky that the driver had a sat phone and
I was able to call an A&P to come down to Mexico and swap it for me.
However, all the local pilots, and the A&P who came down seemed to
think it would have flown ok as was. From a simply academic point of
view I"m curious what you guys think.

-Robert



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And I didn't say people should call ahead at every airport they land on.

"Steve Foley" wrote in message
news:RJiUf.2575$3t1.120@trndny08...
I don't call ahead and make arrangements for a mechanic at every airport I
land at. If something goes wrong, I'll deal with the problem.

"Juan Jimenez" wrote in message
om...
Purely from an academic standpoint, I'm curious why people go into remote
areas of a foreign country (particularly one like Mexico) without some
way
of calling for help if they get stuck, not having made
arrangements/contacts
with a local mechanic in case there were some kind of problem, etc.
People
who can afford having an A&P come down to Mexico to fix a problem ought
to
be able to afford a little planning ahead for eventualities just like
this
one. Academically speaking, of course.

Juan

"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
oups.com...
http://www.thegaryhouse.com/aircraftdamage/

I was down in a remote area of Mexico this last weekend and a truck
backed into my aileron. I was lucky that the driver had a sat phone and
I was able to call an A&P to come down to Mexico and swap it for me.
However, all the local pilots, and the A&P who came down seemed to
think it would have flown ok as was. From a simply academic point of
view I"m curious what you guys think.

-Robert



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ditto


"Juan Jimenez" wrote in message
om...
| Purely from an academic standpoint, I'm curious why people
go into remote
| areas of a foreign country (particularly one like Mexico)
without some way
| of calling for help if they get stuck, not having made
arrangements/contacts
| with a local mechanic in case there were some kind of
problem, etc. People
| who can afford having an A&P come down to Mexico to fix a
problem ought to
| be able to afford a little planning ahead for
eventualities just like this
| one. Academically speaking, of course.
|
| Juan
|
| "Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
|
oups.com...
| http://www.thegaryhouse.com/aircraftdamage/
|
| I was down in a remote area of Mexico this last weekend
and a truck
| backed into my aileron. I was lucky that the driver had
a sat phone and
| I was able to call an A&P to come down to Mexico and
swap it for me.
| However, all the local pilots, and the A&P who came down
seemed to
| think it would have flown ok as was. From a simply
academic point of
| view I"m curious what you guys think.
|
| -Robert
|
|
|
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not having made arrangements/contacts
with a local mechanic in case there were some kind of problem, etc

Having a local mechanic work on your plane only solves 1/2 the problem
because the plane is again illegal as soon as you get back to the
states since you would need another log entry from a U.S. mechanic. I
think its better to skip the Mexican mechanic and just have the A&P do
the work and don't let the Mexicans find out.

-Robert

That it may be illegal and that it needs another log entry are two separate
issues. There's also nothing wrong with using a Mexican mechanic if he/she
is an FAA-certified A&P. You can download the airmen database from the
FAA.GOV website and check for certified mechanics living there (as well as
in any other country, they even separate the files for you, domestic and
foreign), or you can go to places like...

http://www.landings.com/evird.acgi$pass*81558983!_h-www.landings.com/_landings/pages/search/certs-ap.html

....and search for COUNTRY = MEXICO and off you go.

Also, if you do a little bit of research you'll find this interesting
document...

http://www.bajabushpilots.com/news-pop.php?NewsID=44

....which contains this interesting little tidbit of useful information:

"2) A&P mechanics working on US aircraft in Mexico
Requested by the BBP (Baja Bush Pilots) at the meeting, the DGAC (Dirección
General de Aeronáutica Civil), after consulting with their legal persons (at
the meeting) indicated that this requirement was not a rule or law and that
US A&P mechanics can work on US aircraft in Mexico without the presence of
or signing off by a Mexican A&P. This major change will make repairs much
simpler and less expensive for anyone who has a problem in Mexico. The DG
indicated that he will be sending a message to all ICAO airports addressing
this situation this week."

All of this is academically-speaking, of course. Don't take it personally,
I'm just trying to show the benefits of doing a bit of googledigging before
heading off in that nice Mooney of yours to a remote location in a foreign
country.

Juan

"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
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not having made arrangements/contacts
with a local mechanic in case there were some kind of problem, etc

Having a local mechanic work on your plane only solves 1/2 the problem
because the plane is again illegal as soon as you get back to the
states since you would need another log entry from a U.S. mechanic. I
think its better to skip the Mexican mechanic and just have the A&P do
the work and don't let the Mexicans find out.

-Robert



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Nice research.
"Juan Jimenez" wrote in message
om...
| That it may be illegal and that it needs another log entry
are two separate
| issues. There's also nothing wrong with using a Mexican
mechanic if he/she
| is an FAA-certified A&P. You can download the airmen
database from the
| FAA.GOV website and check for certified mechanics living
there (as well as
| in any other country, they even separate the files for
you, domestic and
| foreign), or you can go to places like...
|
|
http://www.landings.com/evird.acgi$pass*81558983!_h-www.landings.com/_landings/pages/search/certs-ap.html
|
| ...and search for COUNTRY = MEXICO and off you go.
|
| Also, if you do a little bit of research you'll find this
interesting
| document...
|
| http://www.bajabushpilots.com/news-pop.php?NewsID=44
|
| ...which contains this interesting little tidbit of useful
information:
|
| "2) A&P mechanics working on US aircraft in Mexico
| Requested by the BBP (Baja Bush Pilots) at the meeting,
the DGAC (Dirección
| General de Aeronáutica Civil), after consulting with their
legal persons (at
| the meeting) indicated that this requirement was not a
rule or law and that
| US A&P mechanics can work on US aircraft in Mexico without
the presence of
| or signing off by a Mexican A&P. This major change will
make repairs much
| simpler and less expensive for anyone who has a problem in
Mexico. The DG
| indicated that he will be sending a message to all ICAO
airports addressing
| this situation this week."
|
| All of this is academically-speaking, of course. Don't
take it personally,
| I'm just trying to show the benefits of doing a bit of
googledigging before
| heading off in that nice Mooney of yours to a remote
location in a foreign
| country.
|
| Juan
|
| "Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
|
ups.com...
| not having made arrangements/contacts
| with a local mechanic in case there were some kind of
problem, etc
|
| Having a local mechanic work on your plane only solves
1/2 the problem
| because the plane is again illegal as soon as you get
back to the
| states since you would need another log entry from a
U.S. mechanic. I
| think its better to skip the Mexican mechanic and just
have the A&P do
| the work and don't let the Mexicans find out.
|
| -Robert
|
|
|
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"Juan Jimenez" wrote in message
om...
Purely from an academic standpoint, I'm curious why people go into remote
areas of a foreign country (particularly one like Mexico) without some way
of calling for help if they get stuck

What would you suggest? Satellite phones are pretty much the only solution
that I see and they are quite expensive. They are also a relatively recent
invention (especially with respect to consumers like us), and somehow people
managed to get by without them prior to their availability.

, not having made arrangements/contacts with a local mechanic in case there
were some kind of problem, etc.

This is an even more bizarre thought, IMHO. Do you arrange for a local
mechanic at every location to which you fly? I sure don't. I doubt many
pilots do.

People who can afford having an A&P come down to Mexico to fix a problem
ought to be able to afford a little planning ahead for eventualities just
like this one. Academically speaking, of course.

"People who can afford"? My understanding is that Robert wasn't the one
footing the bill.

Pete

"Peter Duniho" wrote in message
...
"Juan Jimenez" wrote in message
om...
Purely from an academic standpoint, I'm curious why people go into remote
areas of a foreign country (particularly one like Mexico) without some
way of calling for help if they get stuck

What would you suggest? Satellite phones are pretty much the only
solution that I see and they are quite expensive. They are also a
relatively recent invention (especially with respect to consumers like
us), and somehow people managed to get by without them prior to their
availability.

There are other solutions, such as portable radios of various types, as well
as arrangements to have someone come down to the location if you haven't
been heard from in x number of hours or days.

, not having made arrangements/contacts with a local mechanic in case
there were some kind of problem, etc.

This is an even more bizarre thought, IMHO. Do you arrange for a local
mechanic at every location to which you fly? I sure don't. I doubt many
pilots do.

What is bizarre is reading what I said and translating that into "every
location to which you fly." That is absurd. Note that the original post
mentions a REMOTE LOCATION IN MEXICO. Enough said.

People who can afford having an A&P come down to Mexico to fix a problem
ought to be able to afford a little planning ahead for eventualities just
like this one. Academically speaking, of course.

"People who can afford"? My understanding is that Robert wasn't the one
footing the bill.

I didn't get that at all from what I read. Did the insurance company pay for
the A&P coming down to the "remote location" in Mexico to make the repairs,
including the cost of the parts? The point is there are quite a few A&P's in
Mexico proper, FAA-certified. Just because someone is Mexican doesn't mean
he/she can't do repairs on N-reg aircraft.

Juan


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"Juan Jimenez" wrote in message
m...
What is bizarre is reading what I said and translating that into "every
location to which you fly." That is absurd. Note that the original post
mentions a REMOTE LOCATION IN MEXICO. Enough said.

No, what is bizarre is having two people not understand what you meant, and
blaming both of them rather than considering that your words might have been
ambiguous (they were).

They were not.

"Purely from an academic standpoint, I'm curious why people go into remote
areas of a foreign country (particularly one like Mexico) without some way
of calling for help if they get stuck, not having made arrangements/contacts
with a local mechanic in case there were some kind of problem, etc. People
who can afford having an A&P come down to Mexico to fix a problem ought to
be able to afford a little planning ahead for eventualities just like this
one. Academically speaking, of course. "

Not a word about "every location to which you fly." Very specific mention of
"remote areas of a foreign country." As I said, enough said.

"Peter Duniho" wrote in message
...
"Juan Jimenez" wrote in message
m...
What is bizarre is reading what I said and translating that into "every
location to which you fly." That is absurd. Note that the original post
mentions a REMOTE LOCATION IN MEXICO. Enough said.

No, what is bizarre is having two people not understand what you meant,
and blaming both of them rather than considering that your words might
have been ambiguous (they were).



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