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"Spiv" wrote in message ... You still don't get it. It is not a matter of comparison. The UK is not small. But it IS a matter of comparison. It is you that does not understand. The UK is small. You'll have to try harder if you expect to learn anything. |
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"Spiv" wrote in message ... "Keith Willshaw" wrote in message ... "Spiv" wrote in message ... Nonsense. Britain invented globalisation in the 1700s. Dont be silly, goods were being traded around the known world by the Phoenicians. In Iron age graves in the UK archaeologists have found wine jars from the Med while Cornish Tin and Welsh gold have turned up in Rome, Etruria and North Africa. See "Empire" by Niall Ferguson. I have, it in no way alters reality. To talk of inventing Britain globalisation when 1400 years before people were visibly ejoying the same culture , following the same fashions, speaking the same language, using the same currency and recognising the same government in Africa, Europe and Asia is just plain silly The UK has consistently imported produce and products that are cheaper than the home market. When it comes down to it, it can feed itself. No it cant, for a very few years in the 80's and 90's by using vast amounts of fertiliser, mono culture and with heavy subsidies we came close but the cost was exorbitant both in cash terms and in environmental terms It can feed itself. Much of the UK is national park. That can be used if needed for crop growing. You thrice dammed idiot. National Parks in the UK ARE open for farming,unlike those in the USA agriculture continues in them and the farmers while subject to more stringent planning regulations. That said most of them are upland areas like Snowdonia, the Dales and the Yorkshire Moors, areas that have poor peaty ill drained soils that are quite incapable of supporting any other crops than sheep. In 1939 it was not ready,still importing vast quantities of food from the empire and others. By 1945 internal food production was way ahead of 1939. But still nowhere near self sufficiency. It didn't need to be in 1945, as it imported food from its North American colony, Canada, Canada was an independent nation by then which declared war independently on Germany. I see your continued use of the word 'colony' to describe them as a studied insult of people who were loyal friends and allies. by then with the U boat problem suppressed. Which was just as well else we would have starved In fact food rationing was worse in the years immediately following WW2 than during the war itself as much of the food available from US, Canadian and other countries was diverted to feed a starving Europe. Very true. Basic foods were there, it was the imported stuff like sugar and the likes. Along with wheat , apples , oranges etc. Lots of luck trying to grow citrus fruit in England let alone Scotland, Wales or Ireland. Keith |
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"Spiv" wrote in message ... 1951 I think you will find all rationing was abandoned. From http://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/books/bookfaq12.htm Clothes were de-rationed in March 1949; bread in July 1948 (this was only rationed on the 21 July 1946); jam in December 1948; petrol in May 1950; tea in October 1952; sweets in February 1953; eggs in March 1953; cream in April 1953; sugar in September 1953; butter, cheese, margarine and cooking fats in May 1954; and finally meat in June 1954. snip Boy is this ng full of people with no reading abilities or logic. Indeed Keith |
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"Spiv" wrote in message ... "Keith Willshaw" wrote in message ... "Spiv" wrote in message ... No, yet again you fail. When importing large qualities of grain, etc from north America, It meant the UK could concentrate on war production. Simple when you know how. It meant nothing of the sort. It did. Women were conscipted to work on to the land to increase food production. That is true, yet they didn't need to go 100% self sufficiency in food, as they could import it when the U boast were suppressed. They weren't able to, the crop varieties available at the time simply made it impossible. Your inability to understand this is simply amazing. at http://www.ecifm.rdg.ac.uk/postwarag.htm You'll find a graph of wheat yields per acre post war. They rose from less than 3 tons per ha in 1948 to almost 8 tons per ha in the year 2000 This is largely a result of switching to the new varieties of crops in the post war period By 1940 every plot of land that could grow food including school playing fields had been ploughed up and planted. That was mainly for morale purposes, as was build Anderson air raid shelters, which the government knew were pretty useless in a direct, or near direct hit. It still wasnt enough. In 1940 you are probably correct. However food production was far higher in subsequent years. But never reached anything approaching self sufficiency. Keith |
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"Peter Stickney" wrote in message ... Our Spiv seems to have spent quite some time locked in an attic with old "Ranger" Magazines. What are they? |
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"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message link.net... They did know how and went near to doing it, but the battle of the Atlantic was won, so cheap and plentiful grain could be brought from its colony, Canada, and the USA. Canada was a British colony during WWII? Yes. Independence in 1948, for most of Canada and Newfoundland in 1959. The Canadian constitution was given back in 1982. It says this further down the thread. You've said many things in this thread, but very few of them are correct. 100% correct. Now focus. The British Army was overwhelmingly supplied by UK produced arms. But not completely, the UK still had to import arms. The UK could make all it wanted. It could not make all it wanted during WWII. Not in the early part. |
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"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message link.net... The UK could make all it wanted. It could not make all it wanted during WWII. Britain was pretty much self sufficient with regard to infantry weapons and artillery but relied heavily on US supplied tanks , trucks and armoured cars. The air force relied totally on US production for its transport aircraft , a large percentage of its long range maritime patrol aircraft and the RN was reliant on US produced fighters on its carrier force Keith |
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"Keith Willshaw" wrote in message ... "Spiv" wrote in message ... "Keith Willshaw" wrote in message ... "Spiv" wrote in message ... Nonsense. Britain invented globalisation in the 1700s. Dont be silly, They did. See "Empire" by Niall Ferguson. I have, Did you read it? It can feed itself. Much of the UK is national park. That can be used if needed for crop growing. You thrice dammed idiot. National Parks in the UK ARE open for farming, Not all of it birdbrain. It didn't need to be in 1945, as it imported food from its North American colony, Canada, Canada was an independent nation by then which declared war independently on Germany. Not so. Independence in 1948, 1959 by then with the U boat problem suppressed. Which was just as well else we would have starved No. Not staved at all. Tight, but not starved. Very true. Basic foods were there, it was the imported stuff like sugar and the likes. Along with wheat , apples , oranges etc. Which can have home gown equivalents. Oranges are not base foods. Lots of luck trying to grow citrus fruit in England let alone Scotland, Wales or Ireland. You don't need them to survive. they are luxury foods. |
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"Keith Willshaw" wrote in message ... "Spiv" wrote in message ... 1951 I think you will find all rationing was abandoned. From http://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/books/bookfaq12.htm Clothes were de-rationed in March 1949; bread in July 1948 (this was only rationed on the 21 July 1946); jam in December 1948; petrol in May 1950; tea in October 1952; sweets in February 1953; eggs in March 1953; cream in April 1953; sugar in September 1953; butter, cheese, margarine and cooking fats in May 1954; and finally meat in June 1954. Most rationing, about 90% plus was gone by 1951. |
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"Spiv" wrote:
"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message link.net... They did know how and went near to doing it, but the battle of the Atlantic was won, so cheap and plentiful grain could be brought from its colony, Canada, and the USA. Canada was a British colony during WWII? Yes. Independence in 1948, for most of Canada and Newfoundland in 1959. The Canadian constitution was given back in 1982. It says this further down the thread. You've said many things in this thread, but very few of them are correct. 100% correct. Now focus. The British Army was overwhelmingly supplied by UK produced arms. But not completely, the UK still had to import arms. The UK could make all it wanted. It could not make all it wanted during WWII. Not in the early part. Did you stop attending school 8 or 9 years before you were 15? |
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