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Matt Barrow wrote:
Here's just a few: 1) Poor fuel planning and continuing on with low fuel from Michigan side. 2) Water crossing 3) No floatation devices If he had pants on, he had floatation gear. Get someone to show you how to knot the legs, then inflate the pants by swinging it over your head from above and behind you to in front of you in one swift movement. The trapped air will then hold you up for quite a while like water wings.... and they can always be reinflated ad nauseum. His biggest risk was hypothermia. If he'd only had a light.... I always carry a waterproof light with me in my car and when I fly. Always. -- Mortimer Schnerd, RN VE |
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Larry Dighera wrote:
1) Poor fuel planning and continuing on with low fuel from Michigan side. Do you have evidence that the aircraft didn't suffer from a fuel leak? Back in my days of flying Apaches, I always worried about that expandable fuel cap popping loose and allowing the fuel to syphon out into the wind at night when I'm unlikely to see it. Folks need to be a little circumspect about what this unfortunate fellow did and didn't do. None of us were there. And there but for the grace of God.... I did lots of stuff when I was 20 that I wouldn't do today. -- Mortimer Schnerd, RN VE |
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"Mortimer Schnerd, RN" wrote in message .com... If he had pants on, he had floatation gear. Get someone to show you how to knot the legs, then inflate the pants by swinging it over your head from above and behind you to in front of you in one swift movement. The trapped air will then hold you up for quite a while like water wings.... and they can always be reinflated ad nauseum. His biggest risk was hypothermia. If he'd only had a light.... I always carry a waterproof light with me in my car and when I fly. Always. If he'd only had a light? If he'd only gone around the lake! |
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Mortimer wrote:
His biggest risk was hypothermia. If he'd only had a light.... A light? As long as we are wishing here, if only he wore a wetsuit and life preserver equipped with a McMurdo FastFind Plus PLB and a flashing beacon. -- Peter |
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Peter R. wrote:
Mortimer wrote: His biggest risk was hypothermia. If he'd only had a light.... A light? As long as we are wishing here, if only he wore a wetsuit and life preserver equipped with a McMurdo FastFind Plus PLB and a flashing beacon. My thought was that a light would stand out like a sore thumb five miles from shore in the dark. Him surviving was a function of time; he could swim. They'd didn't find him before he ran out of energy and ability to stay afloat. -- Mortimer Schnerd, RN VE |
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The water temperature in Lake Michigan is still in the 40s. Lights,
flotation gear, all useless except to help them find your frozen body unless your flotation device is a raft with a cover. When I fly east IFR out of Gary airport, ATC usually sends me out 040, which puts me about 10 miles off shore while still climbing. I always hope that if a problem develops I'll have time to head for shore. |
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"Mortimer Schnerd, RN" wrote If he'd only had a light.... I always carry a waterproof light with me in my car and when I fly. Always. Even one better, one of those strobes, like joggers use. -- Jim in NC |
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On Thu, 28 Apr 2005 16:45:40 GMT, Jose
wrote: There sure was a lot of irrelevant information requested by the sherriff... I don't think that finding out what his name is will be all that helpful in getting a rescue underway... just location, plane type and color, injuries, and go look for him. You obviously have never worked within the Fire/Police/Rescue/Ambulance system. Just because the call taker is asking these questions, does not mean that help is not already on the way. Once the call taker inputs just a few items into the system (type of call, location), it is shipped to the dispatcher who is already making the call over the radio ( the call taker and dispatcher is not the same person). As more info is gathered, it is transferred in real time to the dispatcher so they can relay it to the right parties. Is there any good reason to waste time asking for his name and such, when other information (like, since the communications was bad, "say twice your location") might be more helpful for a quick response? It would be nice to know the persons name so that they know who they are looking for and possibly be able to figure out a route which he took over the water. If you didn't know who he was and possibly where he was coming from and where he was going, you just opened up a bigger area to search. Also, there is a standardization in dispatch procedures in the US that I would say most agencies follow. In listening to the line of questioning, I would say that they do follow those procedures. Again help is on the way, and the call taker can help calm and reassure the person on the other line that help is on its way. Yes communications was bad so the call taker was a little bit confused as to what was going on. Unlike here where we knew what was going on before we even heard the sound bite, the call taker is being thrown into a situation that he is having to process this information quickly and determine the correct response. I see nothing wrong with what the call taker was doing. There has been no allegation of delay in the system due to the call taker asking the questions. Surely the sherriff has a callback feature that would ring the cellphone if contact was lost (which is most likely due to the phone falling into the lake) Sometime yes and some time no. Cell phones are different creatures. There are times, that if your cell phone is from another geographical location, it will not show up as anything. There are ways of cross referencing what towers the cell hits and now with GPS on the phones it is even better, but it is still not fool proof. Also sometimes, the phone number that comes back on the AniAli is not the correct number ( it will display the number to the cell provider) so the call taker has to ask for that number to make sure that it is correct. Even when you call from your home number they have to make sure that it is correct including your address even though it is showing them on the computer what it is. I am talking from 13 years experience as a police officer/ 5 years as an EMT, and 3 years as a marine fire fighter. I spent enough time in dispatch to know how the system works. Scott D To email remove spamcatcher's |
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The one day search made me think of JFK Jr. An Admiral said at the time
the search and recovery efforts for JFK Jr. where what would be done for anyone. |
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