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In article J5V5b.266971$cF.84535@rwcrnsc53, Juan E Jimenez says...
Only he would know the totals, Dan. I just know his claim that he's never been successfully sued is a lie on at least two counts. I have located the details on one, and am awaiting the details on a second instance. Let's wait and see what he says in response to my question. "B2431" wrote in message ... Juan, I don't have a dog in this fight, but I would like your stats on CGS. How many suits, how many unsatisfied customers etc. Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired Hi Dan One thing about the ANN gang is that they are experts at twisting the truth to create a perception when the reality is something different. An example are the the words "sucessfully sued" used by both jaun and zoom. Here's how it was used : "Fact: CGS has been successfully sued by unhappy customers and is still in the process of defending itself against same in other venues. " The perception they are trying to create is that I or the company "lost" lawsuits and am defending against others. The reality is that there were I believe 3 lawsuits against either CGS Aviation Inc or CGS Aviation that were settled out of court for obvious reasons. I am in fact involved in 2 more that are still pending. Settling out of court is not a determination of guilt . The use of "sucessfully sued" could have been replaced with "settled out of court" but that wouldn't have created the perception that I "lostwhich is what they were trying to do. I was sucessfully sued but anyone who gets sued is "sucessfully sued" but it doesn't mean anything about the case. 15 of us here on RAH were "sucessfully sued" by zoom and zoom was "sucessfully sued" by a whole lot of creditors before his magazine went bankrupt.They like to play word games to get back at any who disagrees with them or asks for proof. I don't know why they get so melodramatic about this ,as if I have something to hide and I don't.Fact is I'm tied up this week end with our Annual Hawk Owners Fly In at the airport and will be off line till monday. But I'll post the names and case # of all the lawsuits since 1983 ,when CGS Aviation Inc. got it's first. All that info is at the shop and I'll have to dig it up. I seem to recall that from 1983 to date It's all a matter of court records nothing sinister here or anything to hide from. Off the top of my head I can recall 6 suits , 4 were settled out of court and 2 are pending. 2 of the 4 were settled for $5000 or less out of court and one was awarded $750,000 and the one in 83 was I believe $10,000 .The difference being the company had liability insurance at the time. They had nothing to do with the fear of expert witnesses as jaun says.If jaun knew anything about the legal system he wouldn't be making "babe in the woods" statements about the legal system. God I miss Tony at times like this. I have always said my beef with ANN and zoom has always been about credibility and that hasn't changed ,they still operate on distortion,half truths and inuendo and zoom campbell is in my humble opinion a PHONY . Now since we're all being truthful here I wonder if jaun can produce the dates his hero zoom said he flew the Etheopian food missions.He published that as fact in his now defunct magazine US Aviator .He also stated that he fathered a child in his magazine and none exists yet he stated it as fact. Credibility it was always about credibility. See ya Chuck S RAH-15/1 ret By the way my kid retired out of Barksdale AFB a couple years ago and my kid brother retired out of Langley AFB about 5 yrs ago. "evil didn't triumph because good men spoke and evil was nuts" anon |
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In article ESU5b.356168$YN5.243591@sccrnsc01, Juan E Jimenez says...
"C.D. Damron" wrote in message t.net... It's the plaintiff's job to present the evidence to the jury in such a way that they can understand and analyze it in order to reach a fair judgement. The defense has to do the same to make their point. The legal system in this country does not guarantee rocket scientists in the jury box, just peers, i.e. fellow citizens. I find it a bit absurd to suggest that defendant in this instance chose to settle in six figures a week before pretrial because he thought he'd get idiots for jurors. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand how an ultralight aircraft works... By the same token if the case was so strong and the jurors so smart and I was so afraid why did they settle ? They should have stuck it out and got a whole lot more money then they settled for. It doesn't take a Rocket Scientist to under stand how a hot cup of coffee works either. I think jaun is very naive as to the legal system in this country. Chuck S RAH-15/1 ret "an idiot and his friends ....are still idiots" anon |
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In article , Badwater Bill says...
On Fri, 05 Sep 2003 03:14:28 GMT, "Juan E Jimenez" wrote: I haven't responded to your query because I didn't see any point in embarassing you any further, and frankly I had better things to do such as working on installing a turbine ignition exciter on my jet, but since you insist... Are you claiming in this forum and in front of all your fellow gaggle groupies that you have _never_ been successfully sued on an issue related to your company and your products? Yes or No will suffice. Be careful how you answer, toadsucker. Settlements count, particularly when they happen about two weeks prior to the trial, about the time when you found out what expert witnesses were lined up to testify against you... Settling out of court, pretrial, is not an admission of guilt. BWB Thank you BWB, but in zoooms and jauns world it is |
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In article , Juan E Jimenez
says... Are you claiming in this forum and in front of all your fellow gaggle groupies that you have _never_ been successfully sued on an issue related to your company and your products? Yes or No will suffice. Yes to the "sucessfully sued" part but being sucessfully sued doesn't denote guilt or a loss as you and zoom are attempting to imply. Be credible for a change . Be careful how you answer, toadsucker. Settlements count, particularly when they happen about two weeks prior to the trial, about the time when you found out what expert witnesses were lined up to testify against you... Boy how little you know and as Sister Mary Pontius Pilot used to say "empty cans make the most noise". If you knew anything about lawsuits you would have known that both sides know who the expert witnesses are months before a trial.There was no dramatic "two weeks " before the trial incident I should know I was there you weren't.It's only in the movies and in zooms head. Settlements don't count as losses ,once again you show your ignorance as to how it works. I guess using that logic when zoom sued the RAH-15 and none of us went to jail I guess zoom "lost". ChuckS RAH-15/1 "credibility it was always about credibility" chuck s |
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(Badwater Bill) writes: Settling out of court, pretrial, is not an admission of guilt. BWB Come on Bill, don't confuse the poor dumbass. If he has proof, he should produce it or shut up. This crap by Campbell has gone on way too long now and needs to be brought to an end. Jim Campbell's never ending vendetta against Chuck, even if the so call charges were true, is getting ridiculous. Nobody should have to put up with having their name and business trashed in any publication on an ongoing, never ending basis. This is especially true when the proof of the allegations has never been forthcoming. The whole issue used as the justification for the ongoing assault is more than 7 years old. Bob Reed www.kisbuild.r-a-reed-assoc.com (KIS Builders Site) KIS Cruiser in progress...Slow but steady progress.... "Ladies and Gentlemen, take my advice, pull down your pants and Slide on the Ice!" (M.A.S.H. Sidney Freedman) |
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In article J5V5b.266971$cF.84535@rwcrnsc53, "Juan E Jimenez"
writes: Only he would know the totals, Dan. I just know his claim that he's never been successfully sued is a lie on at least two counts. I have located the details on one, and am awaiting the details on a second instance. Let's wait and see what he says in response to my question. PROOF! Where is your PROOF? Produce it or shut up. Bob Reed www.kisbuild.r-a-reed-assoc.com (KIS Builders Site) KIS Cruiser in progress...Slow but steady progress.... "Ladies and Gentlemen, take my advice, pull down your pants and Slide on the Ice!" (M.A.S.H. Sidney Freedman) |
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In article ZZT5b.269387$Oz4.71695@rwcrnsc54, "Juan E Jimenez"
writes: And I wonder if Jimbo would be willing to compare his record on being sued and bankruptcies to Chuck's? Jim's not the one claiming he's never been successfully sued. Your "hero" is. Thank God he is not making the claim because the list of people he has screwed is one hell of a lot longer. I don't really give a damn about either one but I do believe that Jim's constant harping and publication of such garbage is ridiculous, especially in light of his own record. Chuck is not my hero but clearly Jimbo is yours. Yeah, I think its enough too. Wrong. It is not. I just called his bluff. Let's see if he has what it takes to admit he lied. Again. YOU DIDN"T CALL ****! What's that brown stuff on your nose, BTW? Ewwww.... Better the brown stuff on my nose than the red ring around your neck from having your entire head up Jim's ass. Bob Reed www.kisbuild.r-a-reed-assoc.com (KIS Builders Site) KIS Cruiser in progress...Slow but steady progress.... "Ladies and Gentlemen, take my advice, pull down your pants and Slide on the Ice!" (M.A.S.H. Sidney Freedman) |
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In article , "Juan E Jimenez"
writes: You're entitled to your opinion. It can also mean that the defendant realized there was no way he was going to win because the evidence simply didn't support his arguments, and didn't want to take a chance with a judge who, after listening to three knowledgeable expert witnesses, might give the plaintiff a lot more than what would be acceptable to the plaintiff in an out-of-court settlement. The circumstances in this case seem to point to the latter, and that's not just my opinion. Jaun Give way past time to give proof to backup your claims, otherwise all of your ranting above remains "just your opinion" and yours alone. An opinion which, from where I view it, looks very much like an attempt to slander someone. Bob Reed www.kisbuild.r-a-reed-assoc.com (KIS Builders Site) KIS Cruiser in progress...Slow but steady progress.... "Ladies and Gentlemen, take my advice, pull down your pants and Slide on the Ice!" (M.A.S.H. Sidney Freedman) |
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"RobertR237" wrote in message ... Thank God... snip Go whine somewhere else. |
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"ChuckSlusarczyk" wrote in message ... By the same token if the case was so strong and the jurors so smart and I was so afraid why did they settle ? They should have stuck it out and got a whole lot more money then they settled for. That's their decision to make. The fact remains that they sucessfully sued you. Juan |
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