Katrina fall-out

Philip S. wrote:
You might better direct your anger towards a federal government that had all
the same warnings, all the same information (and probably more), and yet has
STILL not taken control of the situation, FOUR DAYS after disaster struck.
Shoot, Jay, when even the collective might of the United States military and
its assorted agencies are running around with their thumbs up their asses
several days after the fact, is it really appropriate to express outrage at
the victims who are suffering most?

Stop blaming the federal government!
That's why this mess is so bad in the first place.
State and local governments have become so dependent upon the federal
programs, they cannot think, let alone act on their on.
The City of New Orleans did nothing until the last minute.
The State of Louisana did nothing until after the fact.
The federal government is trying to play catch up.
The City of New Orleans knew what the consequences were.
The State of Lousiana certainly had some idea of the consequences based
on their oversight authority.
Both these government entities dragged their heels waiting for Uncle Sam
to come to their rescue before the fact. The only thing Uncle Sam knew
was that it was going to be bad.

"john smith" wrote in message
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Philip S. wrote:

Stop blaming the federal government!
That's why this mess is so bad in the first place.
State and local governments have become so dependent upon the federal
programs, they cannot think, let alone act on their on.
The City of New Orleans did nothing until the last minute.
The State of Louisana did nothing until after the fact.
The federal government is trying to play catch up.
The City of New Orleans knew what the consequences were.
The State of Lousiana certainly had some idea of the consequences based on
their oversight authority.
Both these government entities dragged their heels waiting for Uncle Sam
to come to their rescue before the fact. The only thing Uncle Sam knew was
that it was going to be bad.

Very well put...

Jay B

sfb wrote:
You can't be serious? Using boxcars would be too reminiscent of the
Holocaust.

"john smith" wrote in message news:Y2NRe.61330

What about trains?
Are there rail lines that run into New Orleans?
You can move thousands with boxcars and flatcars and a couple engines.

Yes, I did realize that, which is why I did not include a reference to
it in my original posting.
The difference being that the boxcars would not be locked in this case
and the conditions at the destinations would be significantly better
than those of the previous reference.
If the passengers are too small minded to realize these differences and
choose not to escape then one has to question their intelligence.
Take the train and live, or stay in New Orleans and suffer or die?
Personal choice determines their fate.

sfb wrote:
You can't be serious? Using boxcars would be too reminiscent of the
Holocaust.

I doubt that many of the poor in NO remember the holocaust.

George Patterson
Give a person a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a person to
use the Internet and he won't bother you for weeks.

sfb wrote:
You can't be serious? Using boxcars would be too reminiscent of the
Holocaust.

Oh pahleeze. I suppose putting them in airplanes would be too reminiscent
of 9/11.

True,
The Feds can not come in until invited by the State Governments, all
kinda goes back to that thing called "States Rights". Myself I believe the
gov of LA did a very poor job of having the State Guard in place. And way
way to few of them.

Patrick
student SPL
aircraft structural mech

"Jay Beckman" wrote in message
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"john smith" wrote in message
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Philip S. wrote:

Stop blaming the federal government!
That's why this mess is so bad in the first place.
State and local governments have become so dependent upon the federal
programs, they cannot think, let alone act on their on.
The City of New Orleans did nothing until the last minute.
The State of Louisana did nothing until after the fact.
The federal government is trying to play catch up.
The City of New Orleans knew what the consequences were.
The State of Lousiana certainly had some idea of the consequences based
on their oversight authority.
Both these government entities dragged their heels waiting for Uncle Sam
to come to their rescue before the fact. The only thing Uncle Sam knew
was that it was going to be bad.

Very well put...

Jay B

Maybe, but the President Bush's good friends on the left will only be
too happy to explain it to them. The Jesse Jackson's and Al Sharptons of
the world would be all over TV screaming about a lily white government
loading black people on box cars to haul them away from the homes to God
knows where.

"George Patterson" wrote in message
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sfb wrote:
You can't be serious? Using boxcars would be too reminiscent of the
Holocaust.

I doubt that many of the poor in NO remember the holocaust.

George Patterson
Give a person a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a person
to
use the Internet and he won't bother you for weeks.

in article , john smith at
wrote on 9/1/05 8:21 PM:

Philip S. wrote:
You might better direct your anger towards a federal government that had all
the same warnings, all the same information (and probably more), and yet has
STILL not taken control of the situation, FOUR DAYS after disaster struck.
Shoot, Jay, when even the collective might of the United States military and
its assorted agencies are running around with their thumbs up their asses
several days after the fact, is it really appropriate to express outrage at
the victims who are suffering most?

Stop blaming the federal government!
That's why this mess is so bad in the first place.
State and local governments have become so dependent upon the federal
programs, they cannot think, let alone act on their on.
The City of New Orleans did nothing until the last minute.
The State of Louisana did nothing until after the fact.
The federal government is trying to play catch up.
The City of New Orleans knew what the consequences were.
The State of Lousiana certainly had some idea of the consequences based
on their oversight authority.
Both these government entities dragged their heels waiting for Uncle Sam
to come to their rescue before the fact. The only thing Uncle Sam knew
was that it was going to be bad.

Terrorist attack or natural disaster, it really makes no difference--the
current administration ran for re-election less than a year ago on the
premise that they could keep us all safe, that they were better than their
opponents on issues of "homeland security", that when it came to protecting
the homeland, only they could do the job.

Well, John, are they doing the job? Are they keeping the homeland safe? What
if New Orleans had been hit by a terrorist attack? What would your opinion
be of the federal response thus far?

Airplanes have seats and rest rooms which are seldom found in boxcars.

"JohnH" wrote in message
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sfb wrote:
You can't be serious? Using boxcars would be too reminiscent of the
Holocaust.

Oh pahleeze. I suppose putting them in airplanes would be too
reminiscent of 9/11.

back In The Day,
Marine days that is , they would move us all over the place in "cattle
cars". Yep , behind a big old truck! It was hot and pretty dern miserable
during the summer, but it beat the heck out of walking ! I never really felt
like a steer either. Most of the folks needing that ride out of New Orleans
probably do not have a clue to what the holocaust was. If they knew alittle,
they probably didn't know about the "Death Trains". Remember in the last
survey of Americans, 50% did not know George Washington was the Commanding
General of the Continental Army
Ok OK OK , maybe I did get alittle nervous when we would pass a sign
that said KANSAS CITY...

Patrick
student SPL
aircraft structural mech

"john smith" wrote in message
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sfb wrote:
You can't be serious? Using boxcars would be too reminiscent of the
Holocaust.

"john smith" wrote in message news:Y2NRe.61330

What about trains?
Are there rail lines that run into New Orleans?
You can move thousands with boxcars and flatcars and a couple engines.

Yes, I did realize that, which is why I did not include a reference to it
in my original posting.
The difference being that the boxcars would not be locked in this case and
the conditions at the destinations would be significantly better than
those of the previous reference.
If the passengers are too small minded to realize these differences and
choose not to escape then one has to question their intelligence.
Take the train and live, or stay in New Orleans and suffer or die?
Personal choice determines their fate.