A aviation & planes forum. AviationBanter

If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below.

Go Back   Home » AviationBanter forum » rec.aviation newsgroups » Piloting
Site Map Home Register Authors List Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read Web Partners

NATCA Going Down in Flames



 
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Prev Previous Post   Next Post Next
  #9  
Old September 4th 06, 07:33 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
John Gaquin
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 170
Default NATCA Going Down in Flames


"Larry Dighera" wrote in message

However, if casual attire has been accepted or tolerated for a given
period of time, it becomes the de facto standard, in my opinion. What
that time period is, is open to debate.

But just as a land owner who fails to post no trespassing signs on his
land, is bound by law to grant an access easement to those who have
been using it for a number of years, the same rationale would seem to
apply in this case regardless of what was agreed to at the time of
employment.


Possibly but not necessarily. Both the doctrine of historic and customary
use, and the interpretation and enforcement of labor contract conditions,
have for years been supported or struck down by an established string of
legal interpretations and decisions. The introduction of a new or different
rationale into either would be inconsistent.


Demending the presence of a union rep at any conversation between
employee and supervisor is clearly a waste of time and obstruction of

the orderly flow of the work process. Anyone can see that.


Fortunately, that is not what was stated. Here's what was said:

"If a supervisor tries to talk with you regarding the way your are
dressed, it constitutes a formal meeting," the memo reads. "Stop
the conversation immediately and ask for a union representative.
The same approach should be used on any other changes in your
working conditions, ask for a rep immediately.

Clearly the union is informing their members of their right to have a
union representative present whenever a supervisor wants to CHANGE
THEIR WORKING CONDITINS currently in effect.


I'm quite sure the members are well aware of that right. It seems to me
what the union is doing is to try to establish employer stipulated dress
requirements as a "working condition" covered by the existing contract. As
previously commented upon, we don't know if that is the case, but they are
using excessive and unwarranted slowdown processes as extortion to force the
employer to agree.



Labor unions' loss of power stems more from changes in labor law
instituted during the Reagan era, then it does for union abuses of
power.


Well, I'm not sure if Reagan and union abuses are the only two options here
leading to decline. In certain cases and industries, union irrelevance,
ineffectualness, and plain dumb mistakes were contributors.

There are lots of data at unionstats.com, some of which support your
contention (assuming "union power" to be somewhat analogous to membership
numbers). But figures are figures, and the why is always more elusive.



 




Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
An ACE goes down in flames. PoBoy Naval Aviation 25 December 9th 05 01:30 PM
AOPA and ATC Privatization Chip Jones Instrument Flight Rules 139 November 12th 03 08:26 PM
AOPA and ATC Privatization Chip Jones Piloting 133 November 12th 03 08:26 PM


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 11:37 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©2004-2024 AviationBanter.
The comments are property of their posters.