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Air liner (air freight) hit by MANPAD
http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/...ain/index.html
This story is claiming that a MANPAD hit a courier aircraft today. If the story is correct it was an SA-7, I would think a 7b. Imagine how much better something designed in the last quarter century might do? A few months ago there was a thread in here about heat seekers and high bypass ratio engines. Those certainly look like high bypass ratio engines to me. Several times threads have erupted here about the ability of a MANPAD to take down an airliner on take-off. One data point is poor statistics so I am not commenting one way or the other, but here is one that got wacked on climb-out, and managed to go around and land. T! |
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It was reported to have hit the engine but pictures I saw showed the wing on
fire outboard of the engine. "Token" wrote in message newsLTvb.81844$Dw6.391288@attbi_s02... http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/...ain/index.html Several times threads have erupted here about the ability of a MANPAD to take down an airliner on take-off. One data point is poor statistics so I am not commenting one way or the other, but here is one that got wacked on climb-out, and managed to go around and land. |
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but here is one that got wacked on
climb-out, and managed to go around and land. And if I understand the story correctly, the DHL crew had no idea what happened, just that a portion of their wing had caught fire. It wasn't until after they landed that reports of missiles trails were received by authorities. BUFDRVR "Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips everyone on Bear Creek" |
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"Token" wrote in message newsLTvb.81844$Dw6.391288@attbi_s02... http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/...ain/index.html This story is claiming that a MANPAD hit a courier aircraft today. If the story is correct it was an SA-7, I would think a 7b. Imagine how much better something designed in the last quarter century might do? Horrifying for us all. A few months ago there was a thread in here about heat seekers and high bypass ratio engines. Those certainly look like high bypass ratio engines to me. I only saw a glimpse but it looked like an A310 with GE CF6 engines. The RB211 engine might have a reasonable chance of obscuring the hot exhaust nozzle as the shorter length of the Rolls Royce engines' 3 spool shaft allows the fan cowling to extend back beyond the exhaust nozzle thus covering up hot metal completely. (RR use this technique to reduce noise however) Several times threads have erupted here about the ability of a MANPAD to take down an airliner on take-off. One data point is poor statistics so I am not commenting one way or the other, but here is one that got wacked on climb-out, and managed to go around and land. T! |
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If you look at the picture the damage is to the wing mid-way to the wingtip
not the engine maybr do due to a proximity detonation? Myc |
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"Tarver Engineering" wrote in message ... "Mycroft" david wrote in message ... If you look at the picture the damage is to the wing mid-way to the wingtip not the engine maybr do due to a proximity detonation? It missed the engine, either way. Either way, it scrubbed the mission. Pete |
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Token wrote:
http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/...ain/index.html This story is claiming that a MANPAD hit a courier aircraft today. If the story is correct it was an SA-7, I would think a 7b. Imagine how much better something designed in the last quarter century might do? A few months ago there was a thread in here about heat seekers and high bypass ratio engines. Those certainly look like high bypass ratio engines to me. Several times threads have erupted here about the ability of a MANPAD to take down an airliner on take-off. One data point is poor statistics so I am not commenting one way or the other, but here is one that got wacked on climb-out, and managed to go around and land. We can be thankful they do not seem to have ManPADS with a forward aspect engagement capability. Those tend to be directed at the centre of mass rather than heat sources. Something like Blowpipe, although obsolete, has a 3.5 lb. warhead. -- Andrew Chaplin SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO (If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.) |
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"Pete" wrote:
"Tarver Engineering" wrote in message ... "Mycroft" david wrote in message ... If you look at the picture the damage is to the wing mid-way to the wingtip not the engine maybr do due to a proximity detonation? It missed the engine, either way. Either way, it scrubbed the mission. Pete Probably not the only items that needed scrubbing I'll wager... -- -Gord. |
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"Mycroft" david wrote in message ... If you look at the picture the damage is to the wing mid-way to the wingtip not the engine maybr do due to a proximity detonation? Myc I would suspect that if the missile did indeed hit the engine at all that fragments of either the weapon or the motor could have hit the wing. More likely the weapon missed the engine proper and impacted someplace near on the wing, or came in at an angle, clipped the engine, and impacted the wing. I believe that this is quite common from the pictures of missile hits during Desert Storm. Example he http://www.pats-world.com/gulfwar/ab...181/181-11.jpg The news reports on this incident I have seen so far all are saying it was an SA-7. But if it was anything later than that (SA-14 or newer) it would be a plume tracker anyway. A plume tracker must "push ahead" before impact or it will pass harmlessly behind the engine and through the plume. I would think the push ahead would result in many hits on parts of the aircraft other than the engine itself. As far as the possibility of proximity fuzing, according to most web sources the SA-7 is contact fused only. Here is an example link: http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/missile/row/sa-7.htm That site also claims that the Stinger, the SA-14 and the SA-16 have the same type of contact fusing, it does not specify for the SA-18. T! |
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