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"Chris" wrote in message ... "Jay Honeck" wrote in message news:VAT9e.5840$r53.5583@attbi_s21... Decimated since when? Post a reference statistic and time as a starting point. Well, let's start with the fact that France's efforts at flight pre-date our own. Is 1903-ish far enough back for you? What taxes particularly are you referring to? Avgas taxes. The price of avgas in France (as the subject of this thread states) has now exceeded $7.50 per gallon, solely as a result of their very aggressive tax policies. Where does France get its processed petroleum products and what factors make the cost of avgas what it is? I presume that they get their petroleum from the same worldwide supply as the U.S. -- yet our avgas is "only" $3.30-ish per gallon. You just pulled thos whole argument out of your ass, dear, and while it might make an interesting thesis for a classroom debate, you should quit defending it unless you have a lot of facts to back up your assertions. As opposed to your well-thought out, carefully crafted counter-arguments? ;-) The facts are clear. It is your unwillingness to accept them that is puzzling. Why -- especially in an aviation forum -- are you (and Larry, Martin, and a couple of other folks) defending a foreign tax system that more than DOUBLES the price of aviation? This makes no sense to me. And why are people required to choose aviation as a pursuit based on the population of their country? They're not. But based on the population of France, there should be many times more pilots -- ESPECIALLY given their proud heritage of flight. I'm still waiting for an answer: If it's NOT the outrageous cost of avgas that has nearly killed general aviation in France, what is it? Why, in the land of Bleriot and Saint-Exupery, are there so (relatively) few men and women feeling the call to the skies, if NOT for price considerations? The French are more culturally mature and have perhaps outgrown such childish pursuits. You forgot the :-). It was a joke wasn't it? |
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"JH" == Jay Honeck writes:
You fail to take several things into account. In North America, private planes are a viable and often necessary method of transport because of the distances and the lack of other transport methods in some areas. JH This is totally and categorically false. Outside of Alaska, JH private airplanes are not "necessary" for transportation in JH America at all. Uh, Jay. *North* America. That includes Canada and Mexico and, yes, Alaska. |
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"JH" == Jay Honeck writes:
If aviation weren't dead in France, they should have the same PROPORTION of pilots, aircraft and airports as the US. If aviation were dead in France, they wouldn't build Airbusses. JH Airbus? Pah. That's not aviation -- that's industry. JH I'm talking about real, grass-roots aviation, Stefan -- like JH Bleriot and Saint-Exupery practiced. What about all the Light Sport aircraft just starting to show up in the USA? Most come from Europe, including France. In my research of airport clubs to visit 5 years ago for my one and so far only :-( trip to France, I found lots of clubs and airports. GA is certainly not dead in France, nor did it appear to me to be confined to the rich. Instead, just like in the USA, people make choices on how to spend their money and a few spend it on airplanes. |
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Stefan wrote:
At the moment, liability insurance requirements for aircraft up to 2 tons MTOW is around 3 Million dollars (approximately). What I meant is -- how much does one have to pay for this insurance. George Patterson There's plenty of room for all of God's creatures. Right next to the mashed potatoes. |
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"Gig 601XL Builder" wr.giacona@coxDOTnet wrote THe two things that killed it were the cost of AVGAS and Insurance. And the cost of even 40 year old airplanes. -- Jim in NC |
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Markus Voget wrote:
The annual premium (both liability and hull coverage) for a Katana DA20 owned by a flying club in Germany used to be the equivalent of around $5500 (slightly over 4000 Euro). Danke. George Patterson There's plenty of room for all of God's creatures. Right next to the mashed potatoes. |
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"Chris" wrote Just so happens that six strawberries and 1 pear also make seven fruit. It means **** all. ???????????????????????????? |
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"Jay Honeck" wrote I'm still waiting for an answer: If it's NOT the outrageous cost of avgas that has nearly killed general aviation in France, what is it? Why, in the land of Bleriot and Saint-Exupery, are there so (relatively) few men and women feeling the call to the skies, if NOT for price considerations? I am afraid you are arguing a lost cause, with people unable or unwilling to admit a problem. Same result, either way. -- Jim in NC |
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"Stefan" wrote Third, to correct another misinformation: It's not only avgas which is taxed, but all oil products which is used for engines. (Jet fuel is an exeption, but this is a long story. So let's forget this for the moment.) Yes, auto gas is also highly taxed. But, surprize surprize, car traffic isn't dead at all throughout Europe. Which already is that proof you asked for. Ah, but it does make a very big difference in the mile driven per person, per year, and the cars are generally smaller with better gas economy. The tax in this case is driving at getting to people to use public transportation.. So, to summarize: Yes, there is fewer GA in Europe. But even if you would wipe all avgas taxes, there wouldn't be more. How do you come to that conclusion? -- Jim in NC |
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