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Minimum rates of climb/descent for VFR
Mxsmanic wrote in
: WingFlaps writes: Only true as long as you don't bust airspace or aircraft operating limitations... Are there climb/descent rate restrictions for specific airspaces, for VFR flights operating without ATC restrictions? In your world? Nope. Bertie |
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Minimum rates of climb/descent for VFR
Mxsmanic wrote in
: gatt writes: That's how I viewed the question. The airspace/limits don't specifically refer to VFR cruise, although cruising under VFR would still make you subject to broader airspace and operating limits. So are there general limits for climb and descent rates that apply to VFR? I know there are constraints for climbs and descents directed by ATC, but for climbs and descents initiated by the pilot on his own (which would usually apply only to VFR, although there are some IFR examples, too), I can't find a specific maximum or (especially) minimum. You are an idiot Bertie |
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Minimum rates of climb/descent for VFR
In rec.aviation.student Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Yeah, looks ineresting. Some people are mildly worried they might end the universe as well. This is the place, anyway.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_Hadron_Collider Just in case Bertie's wording has made anyone jumpy, the universe itself does this sort of thing all the time (high-energy cosmic rays smashing into things) and it's still around. -- Michael Ash Rogue Amoeba Software |
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Minimum rates of climb/descent for VFR
In rec.aviation.student Mxsmanic wrote:
gatt writes: That's how I viewed the question. The airspace/limits don't specifically refer to VFR cruise, although cruising under VFR would still make you subject to broader airspace and operating limits. So are there general limits for climb and descent rates that apply to VFR? Hasn't this question already been answered? Why are you asking it again? I know there are constraints for climbs and descents directed by ATC, but for climbs and descents initiated by the pilot on his own (which would usually apply only to VFR, although there are some IFR examples, too), I can't find a specific maximum or (especially) minimum. Gliders have wildly varying rates of climb and descent, it's extremely common to maintain 1-200fpm down for very long periods of time, and it's not too uncommon to maintain very slow ascents for long periods of time either. This is, of course, perfectly legal, and I'm not aware of any regulation which only makes this sort of thing legal for the propulsively challenged. -- Michael Ash Rogue Amoeba Software |
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Minimum rates of climb/descent for VFR
On Feb 15, 9:19*am, Gig 601XL Builder
wrote: WingFlaps wrote: On Feb 15, 12:31 am, "John" wrote: No there are no regulations for climb or descent rates for VFR flight. Err I don't think that's 100% correct but it will do for MX. Cheers Please then for my benefit point me to such a regulation. Certainly. Vne is a limit that must not be exceeded (there are others). This sets a limit on how fast you can legally descend (remember pilots must fly within operating limits). You must also not use ascent or descent rate that put you in conflict with ATC unless you have got clearance. When NORDO you cannot ascend or descend into controlled space except as part of a flight plan. The descent rate at or below 500' must be zero or negative except at an aerodrome or within a LFZ. You can probably now see other examples. Pilots should think outside the box ;-) Cheers |
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Minimum rates of climb/descent for VFR
On Feb 15, 9:24*am, "John" wrote:
Not to get into the whole parsing argument but for the subset of flight known as VFR, there are no climb and descent rules that apply only to VFR flight. *The rules about airspace and operating limits apply to both VFR and IFR flights. Except when ascent or descent involves separation maybe? Cheers No there are no regulations for climb or descent rates for VFR flight. Err I don't think that's 100% correct but it will do for MX. Cheers |
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Minimum rates of climb/descent for VFR
On Feb 15, 9:32*am, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
WingFlaps wrote in news:043b8c97-e1d9-463a-9d5f- : On Feb 15, 12:31*am, "John" wrote: No there are no regulations for climb or descent rates for VFR flight. *Only true as long as you don't bust airspace or aircraft operating limitations... Well, neither one has much to do with a vertical speed limit. A dive which goes over Vne? Cheers |
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Minimum rates of climb/descent for VFR
On Feb 15, 9:39*am, Michael Ash wrote:
In rec.aviation.student Gig 601XL Builder wrote: WingFlaps wrote: On Feb 15, 12:31 am, "John" wrote: No there are no regulations for climb or descent rates for VFR flight. Err I don't think that's 100% correct but it will do for MX. Please then for my benefit point me to such a regulation. Technically speaking, it is illegal to descend faster than about 25,000fpm (needs to be adjusted based on density, since it's give in terms of indicated airspeed) when below 10,000ft. I doubt too many flights would need to worry about this limitation. You've got it! Also Vne is usually a lot slower than that for most GA. There are other "tricky" examples I can think of. Cheers |
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Minimum rates of climb/descent for VFR
On Feb 15, 9:40*am, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Michael Ash wrote : In rec.aviation.student Gig 601XL Builder wrote: WingFlaps wrote: On Feb 15, 12:31 am, "John" wrote: No there are no regulations for climb or descent rates for VFR flight. Err I don't think that's 100% correct but it will do for MX. Please then for my benefit point me to such a regulation. Technically speaking, it is illegal to descend faster than about 25,000fpm (needs to be adjusted based on density, since it's give in terms of indicated airspeed) when below 10,000ft. I doubt too many flights would need to worry about this limitation. Or climb! But in fact this can be waived and very frequently is. Damn jet jockies. :-))) Cheers |
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Minimum rates of climb/descent for VFR
On Feb 15, 11:52*am, "Darkwing" theducksmail"AT"yahoo.com wrote:
"WingFlaps" wrote in message ... On Feb 15, 12:31 am, "John" wrote: No there are no regulations for climb or descent rates for VFR flight. Err I don't think that's 100% correct but it will do for MX. Cheers You can't descend or climb faster than the speed of sound over most land. Damn. Good one, I hadn't thought of that. Cheers |
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