Co-pilot gets sick, stewardess helps land airplane

Hatunen writes:

What ae you saying? That you an't afford the jet software for the
sim?

No, I'm saying that actually flying a jet for real is extremely expensive,
which is one argument in favor of simulation (equally applicable to all types
of flying, actually).

I'm not sure. I've forgotten. Is a commercial rating required
before you can qualify for an ATR?

You can have an ATPL for one type of aircraft, and a CPL for another type, if
you want.

Essentially, you can have one of the following types of pilot license (in the
U.S.):

Student
Sport
Recreational
Private
Commercial
Airline Transport Pilot

and each of these can apply to any combination of various aircraft types, such
as single-engine land airplane, rotorcraft, glider, multi-engine seaplane,
whatever.

By the way, you don't need an ATR to fly a jet.

Or even an ATPL.

I wonder if John Travolta has an ATR...?

He has a 707 and I think at least one other jet. John Travolta is a private
pilot, single and multi-engine land airplane, with an instrument rating--not
an ATP.

a wrote:
On Jun 21, 5:22Â*pm, wrote:

It doesn't matter whether that equipment is an airplane, motor vehicle,
radio transmitter, or anything else that requires some sort of official
authorization to operate.

snip

Thanks. I suspected that but did not know the certificate issue
extended beyond airplanes.

Yep, and FYI a military drivers license has "type ratings" for the vehicles
by model you are authorized to drive as driving a hummvee is different than
driving a 5 ton cargo truck, for example.


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In rec.aviation.piloting Mxsmanic wrote:
Hatunen writes:

What ae you saying? That you an't afford the jet software for the
sim?

No, I'm saying that actually flying a jet for real is extremely expensive,
which is one argument in favor of simulation (equally applicable to all types
of flying, actually).

I guess I should use MSFS for my vacation to Vegas next week and save on
the cost of flying my plane.


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On Sun, 20 Jun 2010 08:30:23 +0000 (UTC), Wingnut
wrote:

On Fri, 18 Jun 2010 16:11:10 -0700, Dudley Henriques wrote:

All this is just a fancy way of saying that prior experience in a Cessna
150 might not matter in a 767

Who said anything about a Cessna? The original post said she had
experience as a *commercial* pilot. That tends to mean something a bit
bigger than just a personal aircraft.

I got my commercial in a Cessna 120 with a coffeegrinder radio. You
got a problem with that?

Jim

On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 01:51:05 +0200, Mxsmanic
wrote:

Hatunen writes:

What ae you saying? That you an't afford the jet software for the
sim?

No, I'm saying that actually flying a jet for real is extremely expensive,
which is one argument in favor of simulation (equally applicable to all types
of flying, actually).

I'm not sure. I've forgotten. Is a commercial rating required
before you can qualify for an ATR?

You can have an ATPL for one type of aircraft, and a CPL for another type, if
you want.

Essentially, you can have one of the following types of pilot license (in the
U.S.):

Student
Sport
Recreational
Private
Commercial
Airline Transport Pilot

To be picky, they're actually certificates, not licenses.

and each of these can apply to any combination of various aircraft types, such
as single-engine land airplane, rotorcraft, glider, multi-engine seaplane,
whatever.

I'm not sure what SEL planes an ATR certificate would apply to.

By the way, you don't need an ATR to fly a jet.

Or even an ATPL.

You mean ATPC, I think.

I wonder if John Travolta has an ATR...?

He has a 707 and I think at least one other jet. John Travolta is a private
pilot, single and multi-engine land airplane, with an instrument rating--not
an ATP.

Fascinating. Cite, please?


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On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 01:41:26 +0200, Mxsmanic
wrote:

Hatunen writes:

It's quite possible that one could have one's own private jet and
fly it with a private license.

Yes, but the fact remains that hardly anyone does this. John Travolta does it.
Arnold Palmer does it, too. Harrison Ford can do it, but I'm not sure if he
actually owns a jet. Lorenzo Lamas simply has a CPL, though (and I don't know
if he owns a jet, either).

I'm not sure how you think that's "hardly anyone". Of course,
"hardly anyone" owns big iron, but there are a lot of smaller
business jets in private hands. And, with a properly endorese
private certificate one could rent a jet.

Private pilots are a tiny elite to begin with. The ones who are also certified
to fly jets and have their own jets to fly are so rare that they're scarcely
on the radar, QED.

But they tend to be pretty big blips on that radar screen. I hold
a private certificate, myself, but don't consider myself a part
of a tiny elite. Of course, I'm not current in any aircraft at
all and I doubt I could pass the medical, so the certificate is
just and interesting item in my scrap book.

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On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 01:32:20 +0200, Mxsmanic
wrote:

JohnT writes:

Playing a computer game doesn't make you an expert.

Neither does flying a real-world Cessna 172.

That depends on what you're claiming to be an expert at.

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Hatunen wrote:
Mxsmanic wrote:
Hatunen writes:
I wonder if John Travolta has an ATR...?

He has a 707 and I think at least one other jet. John Travolta is a
private pilot, single and multi-engine land airplane, with an
instrument rating--not an ATP.

Fascinating. Cite, please?

The FAA provides a web page that allows you to search their airmen
registry:

https://amsrvs.registry.faa.gov/airmeninquiry/

Just enter information about yourself, click on submit, then enter as much
information as you know about person you are interested in. There is only
one entry that matches last name Travolta.

The FAA has another web page to search for aircraft, but isn't very useful
for finding who owns what, since they are oftened owned indirectly via
holding companies:

http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/

Hatunen writes:

That depends on what you're claiming to be an expert at.

I don't claim to be an expert at anything, but I'm quite certain that I know
more about flying a 737 or 747 than the vast majority of pilots who have flown
only Cessna 172s.

On Mon, 21 Jun 2010 21:21:17 -0500, Jim Logajan
wrote:

Hatunen wrote:
Mxsmanic wrote:
Hatunen writes:
I wonder if John Travolta has an ATR...?

He has a 707 and I think at least one other jet. John Travolta is a
private pilot, single and multi-engine land airplane, with an
instrument rating--not an ATP.

Fascinating. Cite, please?

The FAA provides a web page that allows you to search their airmen
registry:

https://amsrvs.registry.faa.gov/airmeninquiry/

Just enter information about yourself, click on submit, then enter as much
information as you know about person you are interested in. There is only
one entry that matches last name Travolta.

That page shows street and city as required entries. I don't know
thm so I went no further.

The FAA has another web page to search for aircraft, but isn't very useful
for finding who owns what, since they are oftened owned indirectly via
holding companies:

http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/

But thanks for that one. I've been trying to remember that
website is. It's kind of interesting to look up the old aircraft
I flew in. I see Piper J-3 Cub N3609K that I learned to first fly
in here in Tucson in 1966 is now owned by someone in Minnesota. I
was a one-fourth owner. One of my co-owners managed to encounter
an invisible dust devil on the runway on his first solo landing
and the plane was written off by our insurer as totaled. The
plane was sort of flyable, and the insurance company sold it to
someone who got a special ferry permit and it flew out of our
lives.



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