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Old December 8th 04, 01:54 AM
Peter
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Rich S. wrote:
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"alexy" wrote in message
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I'm not sure how clear that is. Isn't there something in the US
Constitution relegating to the states any powers not specifically
reserved to the federal gov't? AFAIK, land use falls into that
category, so is not usurpation of federal authority.

PS I'm not saying that the NJ law doesn't suck -- just that it is
within their powers if that's what the people of the Garden State
want.



Article One, Section Eight, Clause Three of the U.S. Constitution states the
Congress shall have the power "To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations,
and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;". This interstate
commerce clause has been widely upheld by the Supreme Court and specifically
has given the Federal Government the exclusive power to regulate aviation.
(It's the same authority the Feds used to give us a 55 mph speed limit on
roads designed for much higher speeds).


No, technically there never was a federal speed limit of 55 mph. The
law just specified that in order to qualify for federal transportation
funds each state had to pass and enforce a 55 mph speed limit. Of
course in practice this amounted to the same thing since no state
wanted to give up its fair share of those funds (coming from their
own residents). But it was done this way specifically because the
federal government did not have the authority to directly specify
speed limits within the individual states.

http://www.epa.gov/otaq/invntory/envspoms.txt :
"The 55 mph national speed limit was introduced January 1,
1974 in response to the OPEC oil embargo and subsequent "energy
crisis." While this speed limit was not mandated by the Federal
Government, highway funding was linked to adoption of this
speed limit, and its enforcement, by the States."

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Old December 8th 04, 02:13 AM
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"Peter" wrote in message ...
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http://www.epa.gov/otaq/invntory/envspoms.txt :
"The 55 mph national speed limit was introduced January 1,
1974 in response to the OPEC oil embargo and subsequent "energy
crisis." While this speed limit was not mandated by the Federal
Government, highway funding was linked to adoption of this
speed limit, and its enforcement, by the States."


Just like the DWI and exhaust emissions laws...


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Old December 8th 04, 02:15 AM
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"Rich S." wrote in message ...
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Gradually however, the states have shuffled their noses under the tent of the FAA and NTSB; taxing and regulating
aviation activities and pilots. In Washington state for example, pilots must have a state pilot's license unless ALL
of their flying is done interstate for a commercial carrier or for the military. Aircraft owners must also register
their aircraft with the state and pay fees for the privilege.


Does this mean that if you do all of your flying 'in state' you don't need a license from the FAA?


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Old December 8th 04, 02:52 AM
Rich S.
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"Blueskies" wrote in message
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Does this mean that if you do all of your flying 'in state' you don't need
a license from the FAA?


Without being picky over the term "license", it does not mean that. You
needs both of 'em. And mebbe a driver's license, too. And a note from your
Mom.

Rich S.


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Old December 8th 04, 03:19 AM
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On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 00:19:40 GMT, "Blueskies"
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A 'proper license' should not be too hard to come by. How do you get one?

Again, I do not have the specific documentation, but in a nutshell, if
it's for private use, you need to adhere to all the State DOT regs
pertaining to Private Use Airports. If it's for public use, you need
to comply with those requirements, i.e. Airport Safety Zone, 7 to 1
glide ratio to a certain distance away from the runway, lighting as
applicable, etc...

I know someone who did this for a heliport in Northern NJ, it took
quite a while, and cost a bunch of money.

HTH.
z
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Old December 8th 04, 03:26 AM
Mike Rapoport
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"zatatime" wrote in message
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On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 00:19:40 GMT, "Blueskies"
wrote:

A 'proper license' should not be too hard to come by. How do you get one?

Again, I do not have the specific documentation, but in a nutshell, if
it's for private use, you need to adhere to all the State DOT regs
pertaining to Private Use Airports. If it's for public use, you need
to comply with those requirements, i.e. Airport Safety Zone, 7 to 1
glide ratio to a certain distance away from the runway, lighting as
applicable, etc...

I know someone who did this for a heliport in Northern NJ, it took
quite a while, and cost a bunch of money.

HTH.
z


Here in ID, your runway has to be 2000' from the nearest neighbor to get
approval for a new airstrip. In practice, this takes quite a bit of land,
hundreds of acres.

Mike
MU-2


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Old December 8th 04, 03:36 AM
Larry Dighera
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On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 02:26:01 GMT, "Mike Rapoport"
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Here in ID, your runway has to be 2000' from the nearest neighbor to get
approval for a new airstrip. In practice, this takes quite a bit of land,
hundreds of acres.


For a 2,000' runway that would require ~555 acres minimum.


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Old December 8th 04, 04:27 AM
C Kingsbury
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Donating a few thousand to the governor's campaign slush fund would probably
be a good place to start. Seems to work for most other things in that place.

"Blueskies" wrote in message
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A 'proper license' should not be too hard to come by. How do you get one?




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Old December 8th 04, 05:16 AM
Rich S.
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"Peter" wrote in message
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No, technically there never was a federal speed limit of 55 mph. The
law just specified that in order to qualify for federal transportation
funds each state had to pass and enforce a 55 mph speed limit. Of
course in practice this amounted to the same thing since no state
wanted to give up its fair share of those funds (coming from their
own residents). But it was done this way specifically because the
federal government did not have the authority to directly specify
speed limits within the individual states.


Now *that* would be more accurate than my drivel...

Rich S.


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Old December 8th 04, 05:18 AM
Drew Dalgleish
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On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 02:26:01 GMT, "Mike Rapoport"
wrote:


"zatatime" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 00:19:40 GMT, "Blueskies"
wrote:

A 'proper license' should not be too hard to come by. How do you get one?

Again, I do not have the specific documentation, but in a nutshell, if
it's for private use, you need to adhere to all the State DOT regs
pertaining to Private Use Airports. If it's for public use, you need
to comply with those requirements, i.e. Airport Safety Zone, 7 to 1
glide ratio to a certain distance away from the runway, lighting as
applicable, etc...

I know someone who did this for a heliport in Northern NJ, it took
quite a while, and cost a bunch of money.

HTH.
z


Here in ID, your runway has to be 2000' from the nearest neighbor to get
approval for a new airstrip. In practice, this takes quite a bit of land,
hundreds of acres.

Mike
MU-2


Wow sucks to be you guys. In Canada we can pretty much land and take
off wherever we please
 




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