2-33 - $25K?

On Nov 6, 1:06*pm, Kevin Christner wrote:
On Nov 6, 12:37*pm, Bob Kuykendall wrote:

On Nov 6, 6:43*am, ray conlon wrote:

K&L the outfit run by Kyle and Less Schweizer, will overhaul and
completely *refurbish a 2-33 for about 65K...

Wow, just wow. Talk about economics.

Not that I doubt the basic numbers; the person-hours for onesey-twosey
refurbishment sound about right. But to spend bank like that and get a
2-33 for the investment? The mind boggles.

Maybe I should dust off my drawings for an ASK21-ish two-seater...

Any estimate of what such a kit would cost?

It's not a kit, you take it to K&L and they do the overhaul and it's
ready to fly....

That must be for all new fabric and a brand new paint job,
instruments, canopies, tow hook, and the like?

Boggs.

On Nov 6, 2:31*pm, GARY BOGGS wrote:
That must be for all new fabric and a brand new paint job,
instruments, canopies, tow hook, and the like?

Boggs.

Lipstick on a pig?

Mike

On Nov 6, 4:31*pm, GARY BOGGS wrote:
That must be for all new fabric and a brand new paint job,
instruments, canopies, tow hook, and the like?

Boggs.

They have done several for the Canadian CAP program...

ray conlon wrote:
K&L the outfit run by Kyle and Less Schweizer, will overhaul and
completely refurbish a 2-33 for about 65K, depending on the condition
of the bird that can be more or less. They have the paperwork/type
certificates for most of the Schweizer gliders and have said if they
can get enough orders they would build a run of new gliders. They are
making parts for their gliders now. With most of the glass 2 place
stuff being 150,000$ , there may be a market.

For $65k I'd spend my money on a Sonex Xenos and use the difference in cost
to buy gas for self-launches for the next 10 years.

Please pardon the correction, and hopefully I'm not coming off as being nasty... Canada's programme is called the "Royal Canadian Air Cadets", or simply shortened to "Air Cadets".

Lots of Grob G103s for sale for under $65,000 over the last few
years... What would you rather be intoduced to as a new pilot?

On Nov 6, 7:43*am, ray conlon wrote:
On Nov 5, 9:37*am, GARY BOGGS wrote:





I emailed the seller and asked him how he came up with the price for
his 2-33. *Here is his response:

I came up with the asking price based in the fact there are few of
these aircraft available, If someone wants to buy one they have a few
choices- find one someone is willing to sell and negotiate the selling
price- or buy a refitted one that will cost 65,000.0 and take 4-6
months, and when new SGS 2-33's are available new in three or four
years it will cost in excess of 95,000 at today's market plus
inflation. So for a used aircraft in good condition the half way point
is a good place to start considering the market. If a seller want to
move it sooner he will sell for a little less, I am not in a hurry,
and it is a sellers market.
Those whom are making the complaints are up set that I will not give
the aircraft away, no one is placing a gun to there head forcing
money, it is a choice a buyer makes if that person believes the
aircraft is worth what I a asking. That is called a free market, this
is not a Communist or doctorate ship country people have a choose,
"the people whom do not see that or refuse to acknowledge freedom it
do not deserve freedom"- MLK Jr.

This concept of free market may not appeal to all and some people will
attempt to throw cold water in order to get me to bend to there will
but I don't push or bully that easily, should you wish to make a
reasonable counter offer I will look at it and if I like it I will
make a deal with you if you like the glider you will make a deal with
me if not, I thank you for the brief conversation and we will both
move on to the next deal. OK,

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Is someone planning to start making 2-33s again? * I hadn't heard
that... * And what is a refitted one?

Boggs

K&L the outfit run by Kyle and Less Schweizer, will overhaul and
completely *refurbish a 2-33 for about 65K, depending on the condition
of the bird that can be more or less. They have the paperwork/type
certificates for most of the Schweizer gliders and have said if they
can get enough orders they would build a run of new gliders. They are
making parts for their gliders *now. With most of the glass 2 place
stuff being 150,000$ , there may be a market.- Hide quoted text -

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On Nov 7, 2:44*pm, glider12321 wrote:
Lots of Grob G103s for sale for under $65,000 over the last few
years... What would you rather be intoduced to as a new pilot?

On Nov 6, 7:43*am, ray conlon wrote:







On Nov 5, 9:37*am, GARY BOGGS wrote:

I emailed the seller and asked him how he came up with the price for
his 2-33. *Here is his response:

I came up with the asking price based in the fact there are few of
these aircraft available, If someone wants to buy one they have a few
choices- find one someone is willing to sell and negotiate the selling
price- or buy a refitted one that will cost 65,000.0 and take 4-6
months, and when new SGS 2-33's are available new in three or four
years it will cost in excess of 95,000 at today's market plus
inflation. So for a used aircraft in good condition the half way point
is a good place to start considering the market. If a seller want to
move it sooner he will sell for a little less, I am not in a hurry,
and it is a sellers market.
Those whom are making the complaints are up set that I will not give
the aircraft away, no one is placing a gun to there head forcing
money, it is a choice a buyer makes if that person believes the
aircraft is worth what I a asking. That is called a free market, this
is not a Communist or doctorate ship country people have a choose,
"the people whom do not see that or refuse to acknowledge freedom it
do not deserve freedom"- MLK Jr.

This concept of free market may not appeal to all and some people will
attempt to throw cold water in order to get me to bend to there will
but I don't push or bully that easily, should you wish to make a
reasonable counter offer I will look at it and if I like it I will
make a deal with you if you like the glider you will make a deal with
me if not, I thank you for the brief conversation and we will both
move on to the next deal. OK,

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Is someone planning to start making 2-33s again? * I hadn't heard
that... * And what is a refitted one?

Boggs

K&L the outfit run by Kyle and Less Schweizer, will overhaul and
completely *refurbish a 2-33 for about 65K, depending on the condition
of the bird that can be more or less. They have the paperwork/type
certificates for most of the Schweizer gliders and have said if they
can get enough orders they would build a run of new gliders. They are
making parts for their gliders *now. With most of the glass 2 place
stuff being 150,000$ , there may be a market.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

The Grobs at the major overhaul point in there airframe life and no or
little factory support? At least you can still get Schweizer parts...

The Grobs at the major overhaul point in there airframe life and no or
little factory support? At least you can still get Schweizer parts...

Current limit for the G103s is 12,000 h, I have seen only one on the
market recently that has been close to that. There is full support by
LTB Lindner in Germany, they now hold the type certifcate. They will
even build you parts if they don't have them in stock. We got our Twin
II with some 2500 h a couple of years ago for EUR 22,000, why in the
world would I ever want to lay out USD 65,000 for a flying brink that
you could barely get to fly at better than 20:1 even in it's best
days? A "training" glider where I have to move my knees up to move the
stick under my bend up legs to get full aileron deflection and can't
even do a proper 2 point landing with? I got my US licence in a 2-33,
after having done my German licence in an ASK-13 some 15 years
earlier, it was like going back to the stone ages... I kept hearing
about the great economics of keeping the 2-33s around but I guess USD
65,000 finally killed off that last argument...

Markus Graeber

On Nov 6, 8:23*pm, Jim Logajan wrote:
ray conlon wrote:
K&L the outfit run by Kyle and Less Schweizer, will overhaul and
completely *refurbish a 2-33 for about 65K, depending on the condition
of the bird that can be more or less. They have the paperwork/type
certificates for most of the Schweizer gliders and have said if they
can get enough orders they would build a run of new gliders. They are
making parts for their gliders *now. With most of the glass 2 place
stuff being 150,000$ , there may be a market.

For $65k I'd spend my money on a Sonex Xenos and use the difference in cost
to buy gas for self-launches for the next 10 years.

Me too! But I LIKE building things. (partial owner of Onex kit #67)