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Old October 3rd 11, 03:56 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Quaalude
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Hani Hanjour, the pilot of Flight 77, was so incompetent he could not
fly a Cessna in August, but in September managed to fly a 767 at
excessive speed into a spiraling, 270-degree descent and a level impact
of the first floor of the Pentagon, on the only side that was virtually
empty and had been hardened to withstand a terrorist attack, merely
demonstrates that people can do almost anything once they set their
minds to it.

(Un)True?
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Old October 3rd 11, 05:38 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Orval Fairbairn
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In article ,
Quaalude wrote:

Hani Hanjour, the pilot of Flight 77, was so incompetent he could not
fly a Cessna in August, but in September managed to fly a 767 at
excessive speed into a spiraling, 270-degree descent and a level impact
of the first floor of the Pentagon, on the only side that was virtually
empty and had been hardened to withstand a terrorist attack, merely
demonstrates that people can do almost anything once they set their
minds to it.

(Un)True?


Even you, "Quaalude," could fly that pattern. After all, you don't have
to take off or land, or even reconfigure the aircraft. No real skill
required!
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Old October 3rd 11, 05:47 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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On Mon, 03 Oct 2011 12:38:35 -0400, Orval Fairbairn wrote:

Hanjour


The instructors at the airfield in Maryland said, "It was like he had
hardly even ever driven a car. He could not fly at all."

http://www.nytimes.com/2002/05/04/us/a-trainee-noted-for-incompetence.html

And yet, Orval Fairbairn asks us to believe that Hanjour pulled off a
stunt that would press the limits of even the most experienced aviation
test pilot.

Perhaps you need to remove you head from Mary's drums, Orval, the
banging has advanced your senility.
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Old October 3rd 11, 05:58 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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On Mon, 3 Oct 2011 12:47:05 -0400, Tom wrote:

On Mon, 03 Oct 2011 12:38:35 -0400, Orval Fairbairn wrote:

Hanjour


The instructors at the airfield in Maryland said, "It was like he had
hardly even ever driven a car. He could not fly at all."

http://www.nytimes.com/2002/05/04/us/a-trainee-noted-for-incompetence.html

And yet, Orval Fairbairn asks us to believe that Hanjour pulled off a
stunt that would press the limits of even the most experienced aviation
test pilot.

Perhaps you need to remove you head from Mary's drums, Orval, the
banging has advanced your senility.


Pilots for Truth:

"Our conclusion is, the maneuver looks possible, for guys like us. But
for Hani? Unlikely. He either got REALLY lucky, or someone/something
else was flying that plane. Sure wish we had clear video of a 757
hitting the pentagon to silence all these "Conspiracy theorists". They
want us to believe the pentagon is only covered by a parking gate
camera? C'mon..."
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Old October 3rd 11, 06:13 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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On Mon, 3 Oct 2011 12:58:36 -0400, Quaalude wrote:

On Mon, 3 Oct 2011 12:47:05 -0400, Tom wrote:

On Mon, 03 Oct 2011 12:38:35 -0400, Orval Fairbairn wrote:

Hanjour


The instructors at the airfield in Maryland said, "It was like he had
hardly even ever driven a car. He could not fly at all."

http://www.nytimes.com/2002/05/04/us/a-trainee-noted-for-incompetence.html

And yet, Orval Fairbairn asks us to believe that Hanjour pulled off a
stunt that would press the limits of even the most experienced aviation
test pilot.

Perhaps you need to remove you head from Mary's drums, Orval, the
banging has advanced your senility.


Pilots for Truth:

"Our conclusion is, the maneuver looks possible, for guys like us. But
for Hani? Unlikely. He either got REALLY lucky, or someone/something
else was flying that plane. Sure wish we had clear video of a 757
hitting the pentagon to silence all these "Conspiracy theorists". They
want us to believe the pentagon is only covered by a parking gate
camera? C'mon..."


The reactive force of the hugely powerful downwash sheet, coupled with
the compressibility effects of the tip vortices, simply will not allow
the aircraft to get any lower to the ground than approximately one half
the distance of its wingspan ¡X until speed is drastically reduced,
which, of course, is what happens during normal landings.

Flight 77 "hit the Pentagon" at cruising speed.

So speaketh an aeronautical engineer.
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Old October 3rd 11, 06:27 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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Quaalude wrote:

Pilots for Truth:

"Our conclusion is, the maneuver looks possible, for guys like us. But
for Hani? Unlikely. He either got REALLY lucky, or someone/something
else was flying that plane. Sure wish we had clear video of a 757
hitting the pentagon to silence all these "Conspiracy theorists". They
want us to believe the pentagon is only covered by a parking gate
camera? C'mon..."


Babbling nut case.



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Old October 3rd 11, 06:36 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Orval Fairbairn
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In article , Tom
wrote:

On Mon, 03 Oct 2011 12:38:35 -0400, Orval Fairbairn wrote:

Hanjour


The instructors at the airfield in Maryland said, "It was like he had
hardly even ever driven a car. He could not fly at all."

http://www.nytimes.com/2002/05/04/us/a-trainee-noted-for-incompetence.html

And yet, Orval Fairbairn asks us to believe that Hanjour pulled off a
stunt that would press the limits of even the most experienced aviation
test pilot.


First of all, if that maneuver would "press the limits of even the most
experienced test pilot," I would have to question both his experience
and expertise. It didn't take much ability to perform a diving 270
degree kamikaze turn. The Kamikazes in WW-II did it all the time, and
with only rudimentary training.

Only a fool would arge otherwise.



Perhaps you need to remove you head from Mary's drums, Orval, the
banging has advanced your senility.


Obviously, neither "Tom" nor "Quaalude" has ever operated the controls
of a plane, or they would not have posted such utter nonsense.
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Old October 3rd 11, 07:16 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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On Mon, 3 Oct 2011 17:43:56 +0000 (UTC), Edward A. Falk wrote:

In article , Tom wrote:
On Mon, 3 Oct 2011 12:58:36 -0400, Quaalude wrote:

The reactive force of the hugely powerful downwash sheet, coupled with
the compressibility effects of the tip vortices, simply will not allow
the aircraft to get any lower to the ground than approximately one half
the distance of its wingspan ¡X until speed is drastically reduced,
which, of course, is what happens during normal landings.


You're saying there's a magic cushion that prevents aircraft at cruise
from approaching close to the ground?


No and you damn well know that is a complete distortion of the truth.

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Old October 3rd 11, 07:23 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Tom[_15_]
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On Mon, 03 Oct 2011 13:36:54 -0400, Orval Fairbairn wrote:

In article , Tom
wrote:

On Mon, 03 Oct 2011 12:38:35 -0400, Orval Fairbairn wrote:

Hanjour


The instructors at the airfield in Maryland said, "It was like he had
hardly even ever driven a car. He could not fly at all."

http://www.nytimes.com/2002/05/04/us/a-trainee-noted-for-incompetence.html

And yet, Orval Fairbairn asks us to believe that Hanjour pulled off a
stunt that would press the limits of even the most experienced aviation
test pilot.


First of all, if that maneuver would "press the limits of even the most
experienced test pilot," I would have to question both his experience
and expertise.


This is out of your league, Fairbairn, plain and simple. You're a proven
quagmirist know-it-nothing with an overblown ego and a peanut head for a
brain.

"No-one cares what you "believe", just as your beliefs about weather and
climate have been clearly shown to be ridiculous - negating any
comment you wish to make on other areas of climate science."

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.global-warming/v_Z7jYtLlsI

"If I can be bothered to show you the facts, the least you can do is to
bother to reply, before you try to spread more crap."

Your "expertise" extends to never building an LSA with a measly 80hp
Jabiru P.O.S.

Stick your head back inside Mary's drums where comfort awaits you.
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Old October 3rd 11, 07:26 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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On Mon, 3 Oct 2011 17:40:19 +0000 (UTC), Edward A. Falk wrote:

In article , Tom wrote:
On Mon, 03 Oct 2011 12:38:35 -0400, Orval Fairbairn wrote:

And yet, Orval Fairbairn asks us to believe that Hanjour pulled off a
stunt that would press the limits of even the most experienced aviation
test pilot.


Given a few days practice in Microsoft Flight Simulator, *anybody*
could do it.


Brother, you got some catching it up to do.

Not only is it implausible, it's impossible.

Start he
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do......58033&hl=en

And end he

http://citizeninvestigationteam.com/nsa.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5FhQc-LJ-o (if vimeo gives you problems)

Supplemental FAQ:

http://citizeninvestigationteam.com/...plane_hit.html

You have to imagine them coming out of that turn, flying tree top level,
being able to see or know where the Pentagon is miles away at the
bottom of a ridge, treeline, highways, and a high-rise skyline- and
then be able to miss the VDOT tower or fly above it, then drop down
threading itself through 5 light poles, while missing the VDOT camera
mast next to pole 1 and then fly low and level just a few feet above
the lawn, skimming on it's belly into the first floor. That on it's
face is implausible, the above evidence based presentations show it is
IMPOSSIBLE.

Hani wasn't piloting that plane. eom
 




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