Oshkosh Forum Feedback

Does anyone know who organizes the forums at Oshkosh and have contact
information? One of the forums I attended was truly bizzarre and I'd like
to provide some feedback about it to the powers that be. The presenter was
off topic for most of the time, pushing an extremely unusual world view.
Even when he was on-topic, his presentation was rife with errors and
omissions, many of which seemed to support his unusual socio/political
leanings.

No, I'm not spilling the beans on who it was or the forum topic. I'm more
interested in making sure that I don't waste time on mislabeled forums at
Oshkosh in the future. If someone wants to host a forum about their unusual
world view, that's fine. Just make sure the forum is properly titled so I
don't waste my time due to a bait and switch.

KB

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"Kyle Boatright" wrote:

No, I'm not spilling the beans on who it was or the forum topic. I'm more
interested in making sure that I don't waste time on mislabeled forums at
Oshkosh in the future. If someone wants to host a forum about their unusual
world view, that's fine. Just make sure the forum is properly titled so I
don't waste my time due to a bait and switch.

KB

In the event that "they" don't do anything about it, how about helping others
who would also like to avoid wasting time?

--
Bob Noel
Looking for a sig the
lawyers will hate

Kyle Boatright wrote:



No, I'm not spilling the beans on who it was or the forum topic.

So why would it be a state secret?

Kyle:

Does anyone know who organizes the forums at Oshkosh and have
contact information?

I gave the COZY forum this year, and this was who organized it.


Mark Forss
EAA AirVenture Forums and Workshops
Telephone: 920-426-6588
Fax: 920-426-6560
Email:

EAA Aviation Center
PO Box 3086
Oshkosh, Wisconsin 54903-3086

I WOULD like to know which forum you're talking about, and what the
issue was.....

--
Marc J. Zeitlin
http://www.cozybuilders.org/
Copyright (c) 2006

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Kyle Boatright wrote:



No, I'm not spilling the beans on who it was or the forum topic.

So why would it be a state secret?

I assume the guy was a volunteer and was hosting the forum for free. I
would never call out a volunteer in a public forum. Instead, I'd like to
provide some feedback to the EAA. Maybe they will do a little follow-up
work and if the guy hosts a forum next year that forum won't suffer from the
same problems.

"Kyle Boatright" wrote:

..
Even when he was on-topic, his presentation was rife with errors and
omissions, many of which seemed to support his unusual socio/political
leanings.

What? A crackpot at Oshkosh? Unthinkable!

Kyle Boatright wrote:
Does anyone know who organizes the forums at Oshkosh and have contact
information? One of the forums I attended was truly bizzarre and I'd like
to provide some feedback about it to the powers that be. The presenter was
off topic for most of the time, pushing an extremely unusual world view.
Even when he was on-topic, his presentation was rife with errors and
omissions, many of which seemed to support his unusual socio/political
leanings

Crikes, and Jim wasn't even there this year.

My complaint was that the stated forum guidelines say that the forums
aren't supposed to be blatant infomercial for the presenters commercial
product or services, but it seems they allow just that (I bugged out
early of the "living with your plane forum" as it seemed to be little
more than some real estate agent stumping for her business.

On 1-Aug-2006, "Kyle Boatright" wrote:

No, I'm not spilling the beans on who it was or the forum topic

Forgive me, but I'll spill 'em for you: Michael Schratt, and the topic was
"That's classified, USAF Secrets Revealed". Ohmygawd, was that an
incredible presentation, and I don't mean incredible in a good way. There
were so many outlandish claims, so many "facts" and so much "detail" that
was completely wrong, it was sickening. I couldn't help myself, when he was
done with his presentation on the day I saw him, I went up to him and told
him he was full of ****. Not exactly an educated, academic type of response
I know, but I felt it was appropriate. Just a minor "for instance": he
claimed that during an open house/ air show at Norton AFB, California,
senior member of the government were taken into the largest hangar at Norton
and shown a classified anti-gravity ship that could easily travel among the
stars. One "witness" supposedly told him all the detail, including that the
craft had ACES 2 ejections seats from an F-4 Phantom, and obviously had been
built in the early 1960s. Well, aside from the prototype, F-4s had Martin
Baker Mk-H-5, and later Mk-H-7 seats, ACES 2 didn't appear until the mid
-1970s and was to my knowledge NEVER flown in an F-4. That doesn't address
the IMHO ridiculous assertion that a highly classified display was given in
a hanger during an open house with thousands of civilians milling around
just outside. And to have this happen at Norton, not Edwards, Tonopah Test
Range, or someplace much more secure, that just boggles my mind. I can't
believe EAA gave him the time of day. Sadly, Oshkosh's local paper gave him
a nice write-up without really challenging his assertions at all.
http://www.thenorthwestern.com/apps/...73252563925769

Scott Wilson

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On 1-Aug-2006, "Kyle Boatright" wrote:

No, I'm not spilling the beans on who it was or the forum topic

Forgive me, but I'll spill 'em for you: Michael Schratt, and the topic
was
"That's classified, USAF Secrets Revealed". Ohmygawd, was that an
incredible presentation, and I don't mean incredible in a good way. There
were so many outlandish claims, so many "facts" and so much "detail" that
was completely wrong, it was sickening. I couldn't help myself, when he
was
done with his presentation on the day I saw him, I went up to him and told
him he was full of ****. Not exactly an educated, academic type of
response
I know, but I felt it was appropriate. Just a minor "for instance": he
claimed that during an open house/ air show at Norton AFB, California,
senior member of the government were taken into the largest hangar at
Norton
and shown a classified anti-gravity ship that could easily travel among
the
stars. One "witness" supposedly told him all the detail, including that
the
craft had ACES 2 ejections seats from an F-4 Phantom, and obviously had
been
built in the early 1960s. Well, aside from the prototype, F-4s had Martin
Baker Mk-H-5, and later Mk-H-7 seats, ACES 2 didn't appear until the mid
-1970s and was to my knowledge NEVER flown in an F-4. That doesn't
address
the IMHO ridiculous assertion that a highly classified display was given
in
a hanger during an open house with thousands of civilians milling around
just outside. And to have this happen at Norton, not Edwards, Tonopah
Test
Range, or someplace much more secure, that just boggles my mind. I can't
believe EAA gave him the time of day. Sadly, Oshkosh's local paper gave
him
a nice write-up without really challenging his assertions at all.
http://www.thenorthwestern.com/apps/...73252563925769

Scott Wilson

That one may have been a farce too, but the topic should have been a red
flag that you might be entering kookville. The one I attende had a more
mainstream topic...

KB

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wrote:

On 1-Aug-2006, "Kyle Boatright" wrote:

No, I'm not spilling the beans on who it was or the forum topic

Forgive me, but I'll spill 'em for you: Michael Schratt, and the topic was
"That's classified, USAF Secrets Revealed". Ohmygawd, was that an
incredible presentation, and I don't mean incredible in a good way. There
were so many outlandish claims, so many "facts" and so much "detail" that
was completely wrong, it was sickening. I couldn't help myself, when he was
done with his presentation on the day I saw him, I went up to him and told
him he was full of ****. Not exactly an educated, academic type of response
I know, but I felt it was appropriate. Just a minor "for instance": he
claimed that during an open house/ air show at Norton AFB, California,
senior member of the government were taken into the largest hangar at Norton
and shown a classified anti-gravity ship that could easily travel among the
stars. One "witness" supposedly told him all the detail, including that the
craft had ACES 2 ejections seats from an F-4 Phantom, and obviously had been
built in the early 1960s. Well, aside from the prototype, F-4s had Martin
Baker Mk-H-5, and later Mk-H-7 seats, ACES 2 didn't appear until the mid
-1970s and was to my knowledge NEVER flown in an F-4. That doesn't address
the IMHO ridiculous assertion that a highly classified display was given in
a hanger during an open house with thousands of civilians milling around
just outside. And to have this happen at Norton, not Edwards, Tonopah Test
Range, or someplace much more secure, that just boggles my mind. I can't
believe EAA gave him the time of day. Sadly, Oshkosh's local paper gave him
a nice write-up without really challenging his assertions at all.
http://www.thenorthwestern.com/apps/...31/OSH0101/607
310346&SearchID=73252563925769

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