Japanese Army Navy

"JDupre5762" wrote in message
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Did the Imperial Japanese Army Air Force and the Imperial Japanese Navy
Air
Force operate any of the same make of aircraft? It seems to me that that
at
least with some combat aircraft the two services might have economically
ordered from the same production lines and saved some money and opened up
some
factories for producing more of other types of aircraft?

Well, there was the Zero for one.


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De Meuse raines, houp! de cloques.
De quelles loques ce turqe coin.
Et ne d'anes ni rennes,
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"JDupre5762" wrote in message
...
Did the Imperial Japanese Army Air Force and the Imperial Japanese Navy
Air
Force operate any of the same make of aircraft? It seems to me that that
at
least with some combat aircraft the two services might have economically
ordered from the same production lines and saved some money and opened up
some
factories for producing more of other types of aircraft?

John Dupre'

The IJN and the Japanese Army were deadly rivals in the power
struggles that characterised Japanese politcs of the 20's, 30's and
40's its unlikley they would ever co-operate on anything.

That said the requirements of shipborne aircraft tend to vary from those
of land based aircraft and the USN and USAAF used different aircraft
too as did the RAF and FAA.

Keith

The IJN and the Japanese Army were deadly rivals in the power
struggles that characterised Japanese politcs of the 20's, 30's and
40's its unlikley they would ever co-operate on anything.

Hi Keith

The J.N.A.F. and J.A.A.F. did in fact co-operate out of necessity. The
Mitsubishi J8M1 Shusui (Rigorous Sword) short-range interceptor was a
prime example. The rocket propelled aircraft was based broadly on the
Messerschmitt Me-163B Komet design, as the Japanese only had one simple
instruction manual to use as a guide.

The J.A.A.F. recieved a samll number of MXY7 Akigusa (Autumn Grass)
gliders that had been built by the Maeda Koku Kenkyusho company to be
used as trainers for the J8M1.

The J.A.A.F. designation for their development of the J8M1 was Ki.200.
After the Army Aero-Technical Research Institue (Rikugan Kokugijutsu
Kenkyujo)got involved, it was developed as the Ki.202.

There were five prototypes of the J8M1 built, but only the first one
built flew. It made its maiden flight at Yokosuka Naval Aeronautical
Engineering Arsenal on the 7th of July 1945. It crashed after reaching
an altitude of 1,300 feet in a steep climb. It was determined that the
accident was a result of the rocket motor failing. The hydrogen
peroxide shifted to the rear of the partially empty tank which in turn
cut off the fuel supply, and owing to air entering a fuel pipe and
causing a blockage.

Although the J.A.A.F. chose the aircraft as the priority interceptor
project, no prototype was completed by the time Japan surrendered.

Cheers...Chris

"av8r" wrote in message
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The IJN and the Japanese Army were deadly rivals in the power
struggles that characterised Japanese politcs of the 20's, 30's and
40's its unlikley they would ever co-operate on anything.

Hi Keith

The J.N.A.F. and J.A.A.F. did in fact co-operate out of necessity. The
Mitsubishi J8M1 Shusui (Rigorous Sword) short-range interceptor was a
prime example. The rocket propelled aircraft was based broadly on the
Messerschmitt Me-163B Komet design, as the Japanese only had one simple
instruction manual to use as a guide.

The J.A.A.F. recieved a samll number of MXY7 Akigusa (Autumn Grass)
gliders that had been built by the Maeda Koku Kenkyusho company to be
used as trainers for the J8M1.

The J.A.A.F. designation for their development of the J8M1 was Ki.200.
After the Army Aero-Technical Research Institue (Rikugan Kokugijutsu
Kenkyujo)got involved, it was developed as the Ki.202.

There were five prototypes of the J8M1 built, but only the first one
built flew. It made its maiden flight at Yokosuka Naval Aeronautical
Engineering Arsenal on the 7th of July 1945. It crashed after reaching
an altitude of 1,300 feet in a steep climb. It was determined that the
accident was a result of the rocket motor failing. The hydrogen
peroxide shifted to the rear of the partially empty tank which in turn
cut off the fuel supply, and owing to air entering a fuel pipe and
causing a blockage.

Although the J.A.A.F. chose the aircraft as the priority interceptor
project, no prototype was completed by the time Japan surrendered.

Cheers...Chris


Right but that was at the end of the war when all else had failed
for most of the time they were deadly rivals. Yamamoto had to
be sent back to sea in 1941 to avoid assassination by the army !

Keith

Hi Keith

I realize this was a last ditch effort but it counters your claim that
they did not co-operate on anything.

Cheers...Chris

"av8r" wrote in message
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Hi Keith

I realize this was a last ditch effort but it counters your claim that
they did not co-operate on anything.

Cheers...Chris


There are exceptions to every rule.

Keith

"Keith Willshaw" wrote in message ...
"JDupre5762" wrote in message
...
Did the Imperial Japanese Army Air Force and the Imperial Japanese Navy
Air
Force operate any of the same make of aircraft? It seems to me that that
at
least with some combat aircraft the two services might have economically
ordered from the same production lines and saved some money and opened up
some
factories for producing more of other types of aircraft?

John Dupre'

The IJN and the Japanese Army were deadly rivals in the power
struggles that characterised Japanese politcs of the 20's, 30's and
40's its unlikley they would ever co-operate on anything.

That said the requirements of shipborne aircraft tend to vary from those
of land based aircraft and the USN and USAAF used different aircraft
too as did the RAF and FAA.

Keith


"Deadly rivals"? Did the Army and IJN do assassinations on each other
or something?

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"JDupre5762" wrote in message
...
Did the Imperial Japanese Army Air Force and the Imperial
Japanese Navy
Air
Force operate any of the same make of aircraft? It seems to me
that that
at
least with some combat aircraft the two services might have
economically
ordered from the same production lines and saved some money and
opened up
some
factories for producing more of other types of aircraft?

John Dupre'

The IJN and the Japanese Army were deadly rivals in the power
struggles that characterised Japanese politcs of the 20's, 30's and
40's its unlikley they would ever co-operate on anything.

That said the requirements of shipborne aircraft tend to vary from
those
of land based aircraft and the USN and USAAF used different aircraft
too as did the RAF and FAA.

Keith


"Deadly rivals"? Did the Army and IJN do assassinations on each
other
or something?

Something fairly close to it. Right-wing Japanese nationalists aligned with
parts of the Imperial Japanese Army had been using assasination and threats
of violence against political leaders thoughout the 1930s. In roughly
1940-41, Admiral Yamamoto was rumored to be a target of assasination
efforts for arguing against war with the United States. In some versions of
the story, that's how he ended up in command of the Japanese fleet in
December 1941; his bosses decided he was safer at sea than in a Tokyo
office.

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"If brave men and women never died, there would be nothing
special about bravery." -- Andy Rooney (attributed)

Something fairly close to it. Right-wing Japanese nationalists aligned
with
parts of the Imperial Japanese Army had been using assasination and
threats
of violence against political leaders thoughout the 1930s. In roughly
1940-41, Admiral Yamamoto was rumored to be a target of assasination
efforts for arguing against war with the United States. In some versions
of
the story, that's how he ended up in command of the Japanese fleet in
December 1941; his bosses decided he was safer at sea than in a Tokyo
office.


To be precise. safer on the Battleship Yamato, which he used as his HQ



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"If brave men and women never died, there would be nothing
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Something fairly close to it. Right-wing Japanese nationalists aligned
with
parts of the Imperial Japanese Army had been using assasination and
threats
of violence against political leaders thoughout the 1930s. In roughly
1940-41, Admiral Yamamoto was rumored to be a target of assasination
efforts for arguing against war with the United States. In some
versions
of
the story, that's how he ended up in command of the Japanese fleet in
December 1941; his bosses decided he was safer at sea than in a Tokyo
office.


To be precise. safer on the Battleship Yamato, which he used as his HQ


IRC his first flagship on returning to sea was the Nagato as the Yamato
was still fitting out.

Keith