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Neil Gould wrote:

For example, is
there a different rate for vehicles licensed as "trucks" than for those
rated as "cars" in such states as NJ (which has some of the worst
infrastructure, btw)?

There is a different rate for commercial versus non-commercial vehicles, and
there are several categories (for example, cabs and limos have "omnibus" tags).
Things like pickup trucks and SUVs are licensed the same as cars. They base the
fee on the maximum gross vehicle weight, and there are several classes. My small
pickup falls into class 8 below. The larger SUVs would also be in that class.
Here are the fees for non-commercial passenger-carrying vehicles.

1 1970 or older Under 2700 lbs. $32.50
2 1970 or older 2700 lbs--3800 lbs. $41.50
3 1970 or older Over 3800 lbs. $62.50
4 1971 – 1979 Under 2700 lbs. $35.50
5 1971 - 1979 2700 lbs--3800 lbs. $46.50
6 1971 - 1979 Over 3800 lbs. $69.50
7 1980 and newer Under 3500 lbs. Fewer than 2 years old $56.00
More than 2 years old $43.50
8 1980 and newer Over 3500 lbs Fewer than 2 years old $81.00
More than 2 years old $68.50
9 Commuter Van* ** Fewer than 2 years old $81.00
More than 2 years old $68.50

You can get more details than you would want to know by checking out
http://www.state.nj.us/mvc/bc_vehicl...tion_fees.html

George Patterson
"Naked" means you ain't got no clothes on; "nekkid" means you ain't got
no clothes on - and are up to somethin'.

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Neil Gould wrote:

For example, is
there a different rate for vehicles licensed as "trucks" than for those
rated as "cars" in such states as NJ (which has some of the worst
infrastructure, btw)?

There is a different rate for commercial versus non-commercial vehicles,
and
there are several categories (for example, cabs and limos have "omnibus"
tags).
Things like pickup trucks and SUVs are licensed the same as cars. They
base the
fee on the maximum gross vehicle weight, and there are several classes. My
small
pickup falls into class 8 below. The larger SUVs would also be in that
class.

Same here (CO) except (??) a truck that is used for commercial purposes has
a "TRUCK" license plate and pays higher fees. An SUV used commercially would
have a "CMRL" (commercial) plate. I had to register my Tundra and our SUV as
commercial vehicles even though I don't use them for business inside the
state, but merely because they're owned/registered to my company.

In article ,
"Matt Barrow" wrote:

What would you define "really cheap" as being?

Well, $0.35/gallon would be really cheap. right?

"Cheap" to me means "poor quality"; we could have cheap gas by watering it
down. :~)

$.35 a gallon is what gas was going for in 1971; in todays $$$'s that
something like $3.25.

There's just no pleasing some people!! :~(

I think you misunderstood my intent or tone of my reply. I don't really
think we'll ever see gas costing so little unless it becomes nearly useless.

--
Bob Noel
no one likes an educated mule

"Bob Noel" wrote in message
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In article ,
"Matt Barrow" wrote:

What would you define "really cheap" as being?

Well, $0.35/gallon would be really cheap. right?

"Cheap" to me means "poor quality"; we could have cheap gas by watering
it
down. :~)

$.35 a gallon is what gas was going for in 1971; in todays $$$'s that
something like $3.25.

There's just no pleasing some people!! :~(

I think you misunderstood my intent or tone of my reply. I don't really
think we'll ever see gas costing so little unless it becomes nearly
useless.


Maybe not "we" who sit here today, but I can see it in the distant future
when others fuels replace it because internal combustion engines have been
rendered obsolete. Of course, that doesn't help things in the "here and
now".

OTOH, gasoline costs less per gallon than such critical things as Evian
Drinking Water (about $5.25 a gallon) or beer ($6.50 a gallon for certain
moderately priced brands) so you could say gas is still relatively "cheap".

Now I'm just hoping that McCallans Scotch could be done "cheaper". :~)

On Tue, 24 May 2005 10:17:44 GMT, Larry Dighera
wrote:

On Tue, 24 May 2005 01:01:36 -0400, Roger
wrote in
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People went back
to demanding big cars and trucks so the automakers dutifully started
building them and why not.

Actually, Detroit began pushing SUVs, because they are classed as
light trucks and do not fall under clean air mandates.

Not all SUVs. I have one (Toyota 4-Runner)that is classified as a
station wagon. Why? I don't know. It's as big or bigger than some
that are classified as trucks.

Again, it's what "we" wanted. Detroit was selling lots of trucks,
people wanted more seats and inside room which led to the SUV. It
wasn't so much Detroit pushing them as us pulling for them. Do you
supposed a big push for econo cars by Detroit would have been
successful under the consumer climate at that time?

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

On Tue, 24 May 2005 07:15:41 -0700, "Matt Barrow"
wrote:


"Bob Noel" wrote in message
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In article ,
Roger wrote:

We really reduced the amount of fuel we were using.

we did? I thought we merely reduced the rate of increase in consumption.
This, plus the economic incentive of pumping marginal wells, increased the
supply so that gas became plentiful and less expensive (but still not
really
cheap).

What would you define "really cheap" as being?

To the point where it was no longer echonomical to persue alternative
fuels and exploratory drilling. It was far cheaper to import the
stuff.

Actually, with all the complaining when you figure in the average wage
Vs the cost of gas in the US compared to the same in Europe, even
$3.00 gas is cheap. They make less and pay at least twice as much...
or there abouts.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

On Tue, 24 May 2005 21:49:57 -0400, Roger
wrote in
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Actually, with all the complaining when you figure in the average wage
Vs the cost of gas in the US compared to the same in Europe, even
$3.00 gas is cheap. They make less and pay at least twice as much...
or there abouts.

Europeans have viable alternatives to automobile travel, unlike Los
Angelenos.

In article ,
Roger wrote:


Actually, Detroit began pushing SUVs, because they are classed as
light trucks and do not fall under clean air mandates.

Not all SUVs. I have one (Toyota 4-Runner)that is classified as a
station wagon. Why? I don't know. It's as big or bigger than some
that are classified as trucks.


Your response (all of it) I'd agree contains correct statements.

But the first sentence above, to which you're responding, is still a key
factor in the situation. Because (most) SUVs can be classified as light
trucks, they (and their manufacturers) are exempted from multiple
regulations, in addition to just clean air mandates.

On Tue, 24 May 2005 10:17:44 GMT, Larry Dighera babbled:

People went back
to demanding big cars and trucks so the automakers dutifully started
building them and why not.

Actually, Detroit began pushing SUVs, because they are classed as
light trucks and do not fall under clean air mandates.

So did Japan (Pathfinders, 4-Runners, etc.) as did Germany (whatever those
goose-steppers are pushing nowadays).

Detroit could push anything they wished but that doesn't explain why people
bought them.

They've pushed a lot of stuff over the years and quite often they took a
beating.

Good 'ol Larry, head up ass again.

"Roger" wrote in message
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On Tue, 24 May 2005 07:15:41 -0700, "Matt Barrow"
wrote:


"Bob Noel" wrote in message

What would you define "really cheap" as being?

To the point where it was no longer echonomical to persue alternative
fuels and exploratory drilling. It was far cheaper to import the
stuff.

Actually, with all the complaining when you figure in the average wage
Vs the cost of gas in the US compared to the same in Europe, even
$3.00 gas is cheap. They make less and pay at least twice as much...
or there abouts.


With 1971 baseline prices, gas today would be something like $3.25-3.50 a
gallon.

Yet people whine!!

1980 prices are a lot of the reason Peanut Carter got bounced out of the
White House.