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Airlines Cut Minimum Pilot Experience to 500 hours and Below
More Evidence of the Pilot Shortage PILOT SHORTAGE HITS REGIONALS (http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archive...ll.html#196655) American Eagle, the regional subsidiary of American Airlines, has trimmed flights from its winter schedule in part because it doesn't have enough pilots. "It's one of several reasons, but that does play into it," Eagle spokeswoman Andrea Huguely told the Fort Worth Star-Telegram (http://www.star-telegram.com/busines...y/322928.html). "The pilots are crucial, and without them, the planes don't fly." Eagle is one of several airlines that has cut minimum experience requirements by two-thirds to 500 hours to attract more recruits. According to the newspaper, Trans States Airlines, which operates a regional service for American under the name American Connection, briefly lowered its experience requirement to 250 hours during the summer. Although no one seems to deny the value of experience, industry spokesmen contacted by the newspaper seemed to agree that safety is not being seriously compromised. http://www.tradingmarkets.com/.site/...20News/852841/ The carriers have reduced required flight hours for job applicants by as much as two-thirds, and in a few cases have hired pilots with the minimum experience required by the Federal Aviation Administration for a pilot's license. ... "The rush to push pilots through training and into the cockpits raises obvious safety concerns," said John Prater, a veteran Continental Airlines pilot and president of the Air Line Pilots Association. ... "New pilots today are going straight into the [co-pilot's] seat, and moving into the [captain's] seat in a hurry," he said. "And they're doing it in airplanes that are great machines but can be unforgiving." ... For example, a starting pilot at Trans States, a regional airline that flies for American under the name American Connection, earns $22 a flight hour, with 74 hours guaranteed a month, according to AirlinePilotCentral.com, which tracks pilot salaries. That translates to an annual starting salary of $19,500. A pilot flying 1,000 hours a year -- the most allowed under federal rules -- would earn about $22,000. ... Airlines are aggressively recruiting on college campuses and offering signing bonuses to new hires who complete their training. |
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Airlines Cut Minimum Pilot Experience to 500 hours and Below
Yeah, and what do many non-pilots don't fully understand is that pilots get
paid for the hours they fly...not for the hours they work. In an 8 hour workday they may only get 4 hours of flight pay. Flight planning, preflight, postflight, etc are not paid hours of work. $22.00/hour pay rate (flight time) can translate to $11.00 an hour for actual working time. "Larry Dighera" wrote in message ... More Evidence of the Pilot Shortage PILOT SHORTAGE HITS REGIONALS (http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archive...ll.html#196655) American Eagle, the regional subsidiary of American Airlines, has trimmed flights from its winter schedule in part because it doesn't have enough pilots. "It's one of several reasons, but that does play into it," Eagle spokeswoman Andrea Huguely told the Fort Worth Star-Telegram (http://www.star-telegram.com/busines...y/322928.html). "The pilots are crucial, and without them, the planes don't fly." Eagle is one of several airlines that has cut minimum experience requirements by two-thirds to 500 hours to attract more recruits. According to the newspaper, Trans States Airlines, which operates a regional service for American under the name American Connection, briefly lowered its experience requirement to 250 hours during the summer. Although no one seems to deny the value of experience, industry spokesmen contacted by the newspaper seemed to agree that safety is not being seriously compromised. http://www.tradingmarkets.com/.site/...20News/852841/ The carriers have reduced required flight hours for job applicants by as much as two-thirds, and in a few cases have hired pilots with the minimum experience required by the Federal Aviation Administration for a pilot's license. ... "The rush to push pilots through training and into the cockpits raises obvious safety concerns," said John Prater, a veteran Continental Airlines pilot and president of the Air Line Pilots Association. ... "New pilots today are going straight into the [co-pilot's] seat, and moving into the [captain's] seat in a hurry," he said. "And they're doing it in airplanes that are great machines but can be unforgiving." ... For example, a starting pilot at Trans States, a regional airline that flies for American under the name American Connection, earns $22 a flight hour, with 74 hours guaranteed a month, according to AirlinePilotCentral.com, which tracks pilot salaries. That translates to an annual starting salary of $19,500. A pilot flying 1,000 hours a year -- the most allowed under federal rules -- would earn about $22,000. ... Airlines are aggressively recruiting on college campuses and offering signing bonuses to new hires who complete their training. |
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Airlines Cut Minimum Pilot Experience to 500 hours and Below
"Panic" wrote in message ... Yeah, and what do many non-pilots don't fully understand is that pilots get paid for the hours they fly...not for the hours they work. In an 8 hour workday they may only get 4 hours of flight pay. Flight planning, preflight, postflight, etc are not paid hours of work. $22.00/hour pay rate (flight time) can translate to $11.00 an hour for actual working time. I'm curious as to why the airline pilots haven't all gone on strike to demand better pay. Clearly, they can't be easily replaced or the airlines wouldn't be scraping the bottom of the barrel for new hires. I learned about supply/demand in Economics 101 but I'm sure the airline executives know exactly what they're doing. I'm sorry, but, there's a Burgerville down the road that pays better than $11/hr, and a car dealership that pays better too; why would I invest tens of thousands of dollars, submit myself to annual medical exams, corporate nonsense (such as pilot salary) and inherent job insecurity, and then separate myself from my family for less than what the guy flipping burgers or selling Toyotas down the street makes? Here's one otherwise-interested commercial pilot that the airlines won't get for less than the $42,000 I could make resetting people's e-mail and router passwords from the safety of an air-conditioned office. -c |
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Airlines Cut Minimum Pilot Experience to 500 hours and Below
On Nov 26, 9:38 am, "Gatt" wrote:
"Panic" wrote in message ... Yeah, and what do many non-pilots don't fully understand is that pilots get paid for the hours they fly...not for the hours they work. In an 8 hour workday they may only get 4 hours of flight pay. Flight planning, preflight, postflight, etc are not paid hours of work. $22.00/hour pay rate (flight time) can translate to $11.00 an hour for actual working time. I'm curious as to why the airline pilots haven't all gone on strike to demand better pay. Clearly, they can't be easily replaced or the airlines wouldn't be scraping the bottom of the barrel for new hires. I learned about supply/demand in Economics 101 but I'm sure the airline executives know exactly what they're doing. First, you can only strike if you are part of a union. Federal laws give unions protections that allow them to gain excess benefits, beyond what supply and demand allow for. In short, when a union is involved you do not have a free market (the employeer has his hands tied and his nuts in a vice). Second, even a union (like a parasite) cannot kill its host. Most airlines are on the edge of bankruptcy (if not already in bankruptcy) so asking for more money would just kill the host. Today competition in the market has made margins slim in the industry and the survivors are those that can produce their profit for the lowest cost (Southwest, Jetblue, etc). Asking your airline to increase its cost structure to increase your pay can literally put it out of business in today's market. -Robert |
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Airlines Cut Minimum Pilot Experience to 500 hours and Below
Here's one otherwise-interested commercial pilot that the airlines won't get for less than the $42,000 I could make resetting people's e-mail and router passwords from the safety of an air-conditioned office. Apparently you aren't interested enough. Luckily for the airlines, other's are. As long as there are lots of applications on their desk there is no reason to seek out you. I have no doubt that the airlines will fill their vacacies. -Robert |
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Airlines Cut Minimum Pilot Experience to 500 hours and Below
Here's one otherwise-interested commercial pilot that the airlines won't get for less than the $42,000 I could make resetting people's e-mail and router passwords from the safety of an air-conditioned office. Apparently you aren't interested enough. Luckily for the airlines, other's are. As long as there are lots of applications on their desk there is no reason to seek out you. I have no doubt that the airlines will fill their vacacies. Clearly. That's why there's a hiring shortage and they're having to scrape the bottom of the barrel of qualified applicants to fill those jobs. -c |
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Airlines Cut Minimum Pilot Experience to 500 hours and Below
"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message news:8fe9b408-db41-494c-8015- Clearly, they can't be easily replaced or the airlines wouldn't be scraping the bottom of the barrel for new hires. I learned about supply/demand in Economics 101 but I'm sure the airline executives know exactly what they're doing. First, you can only strike if you are part of a union. Federal laws give unions protections that allow them to gain excess benefits, beyond what supply and demand allow for. In short, when a union is involved you do not have a free market (the employeer has his hands tied and his nuts in a vice). Well, having worked as a system administrator and seen countless jobs shipped over to Bumfkistan, I'm not so interested in employers' interest anymore. It is quite literally us and them. You do what the desk-pilot with the MBA says, when they say, for how much they say, for as how long they say, and it doesn't matter how well you do it because as soon as they can hire somebody offshore to do it for less, your ass is out the door. Most airlines are on the edge of bankruptcy (if not already in bankruptcy) so asking for more money would just kill the host. They should fire an executive and hire a couple of dozen pilots with the money. Asking your airline to increase its cost structure to increase your pay can literally put it out of business in today's market. What do you suppose their HR, marketing and IT people make? I'd bet that their 20-year-old Help Desk techs make more than starting pilots. All kinds of people talk about it and excuse the behavior but the reality is that the airlines are desperate for pilots; dangerously so, according to the media and inevitable consumer opinion. But, hey, when an engine fails on a 737, maybe they can call the Help Desk. America reaps, America sows. Consistently, America makes excuses for its backwardass business logic. (In 1980 few people would have bought anything "Made in the U.S.S.R." Now we're having to check to make sure the crap the rival superpower we helped build isn't feeding our kids lead paint. -c |
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Airlines Cut Minimum Pilot Experience to 500 hours and Below
Apparently you aren't interested enough. Luckily for the airlines,
other's are. As long as there are lots of applications on their desk there is no reason to seek out you. I have no doubt that the airlines will fill their vacacies. Clearly. That's why there's a hiring shortage and they're having to scrape the bottom of the barrel of qualified applicants to fill those jobs. When they run out of apps, they'll raise the pay until they get some more apps. That's how it works in every business. -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" |
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Airlines Cut Minimum Pilot Experience to 500 hours and Below
On Nov 26, 10:50 am, "Robert M. Gary" wrote:
First, you can only strike if you are part of a union. Federal laws give unions protections that allow them to gain excess benefits, beyond what supply and demand allow for. In short, when a union is involved you do not have a free market (the employeer has his hands tied and his nuts in a vice). Robert, this post (Just like many of your other posts) shows that you dont really have a grasp of the situation. If you dont like organized labor thats fine, but you are making yourself look silly by painting things with a broad brush. Second, even a union (like a parasite) cannot kill its host. Most airlines are on the edge of bankruptcy (if not already in bankruptcy) so asking for more money would just kill the host. Today competition in the market has made margins slim in the industry and the survivors are those that can produce their profit for the lowest cost (Southwest, Jetblue, etc). Asking your airline to increase its cost structure to increase your pay can literally put it out of business in today's market. Where did you come up with this. Which airlines are on the brink ? With the exeption of Doug Parker and USAirways the airlines have been doing quite well. Pick up a newspaper once in awhile . F Baum -Robert- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
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Airlines Cut Minimum Pilot Experience to 500 hours and Below
"Jay Honeck" wrote in message news:37ebfada-110b-4b3e-a0cb-] Clearly. That's why there's a hiring shortage and they're having to scrape the bottom of the barrel of qualified applicants to fill those jobs. When they run out of apps, they'll raise the pay until they get some more apps. That's how it works in every business. Meanwhile, the cream of the crop will go fly for El Al of Lufthansa, and UAL scrounges around hiring inexperienced pilots. Makes perfect sense. -c |
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