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"Long Cross-Country" flight for commercial rating - must it be completed in one day?
I would like to use a flight I took two years ago to show I've satisfied the
"Long Cross Country" requirement for my Commercial ticket. On that flight, I flew from SMO to O22 (259NM), then to (124NM) in one day, then turned around several days later and flew back - CIC to SZP (353 NM) to SMO (36NM), again in a single day. After reading the official requirement (see below), I think I have it. Note that it doesn't indicate that the flight needs to be done in a single day. But then, one could argue then that any "flight" that includes a single leg of over 250NM would qualify.... Go figure! Is there anywhere in the regs where it defines what "Cross-Country" flight means? Here is the requirement for the "Long Cross-Country" flight for the Commercial rating (FAR (§61.109.a.4.i): "One cross-country flight of not less than 300 nautical miles total distance, with landings at a minimum of three points, one of which is a straight-line distance of at least 250 nautical miles from the original departure point. However, if this requirement is being met in Hawaii, the longest segment need only have a straight-line distance of at least 150 nautical miles; and " [...], So, the questions remaining a 1.) Do the "three landings" have to be done in one day? 2.) Is there any "recency" requirement for this - e.g. does this trip not count because it was taken almost two years ago? 3.) Are there other reasons that I can't use this flight that I'm not even aware of?? Here are the details about the flight I am hoping fulfills this requirement for me: July 25, 2003: SMO = O22 (259 NM) O22 = CIC (124 NM) July 29, 2003: CIC = SZP (353 NM) SZP = SMO (36 NM) |
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But, what about all the external wiring required and where do you place the
laptop? And, what is this about an external display? Marty Ross wrote: I would like to use a flight I took two years ago to show I've satisfied the "Long Cross Country" requirement for my Commercial ticket. On that flight, I flew from SMO to O22 (259NM), then to (124NM) in one day, then turned around several days later and flew back - CIC to SZP (353 NM) to SMO (36NM), again in a single day. After reading the official requirement (see below), I think I have it. Note that it doesn't indicate that the flight needs to be done in a single day. But then, one could argue then that any "flight" that includes a single leg of over 250NM would qualify.... Go figure! Is there anywhere in the regs where it defines what "Cross-Country" flight means? Here is the requirement for the "Long Cross-Country" flight for the Commercial rating (FAR (§61.109.a.4.i): "One cross-country flight of not less than 300 nautical miles total distance, with landings at a minimum of three points, one of which is a straight-line distance of at least 250 nautical miles from the original departure point. However, if this requirement is being met in Hawaii, the longest segment need only have a straight-line distance of at least 150 nautical miles; and " [...], So, the questions remaining a 1.) Do the "three landings" have to be done in one day? 2.) Is there any "recency" requirement for this - e.g. does this trip not count because it was taken almost two years ago? 3.) Are there other reasons that I can't use this flight that I'm not even aware of?? Here are the details about the flight I am hoping fulfills this requirement for me: July 25, 2003: SMO = O22 (259 NM) O22 = CIC (124 NM) July 29, 2003: CIC = SZP (353 NM) SZP = SMO (36 NM) |
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"Marty Ross" wrote:
1.) Do the "three landings" have to be done in one day? I'm not aware of any requirement that the flight be completed in one day, but by the same token, I'm not aware of any definitive ruling in the other direction. My commercial X/C was White Plains, NY to Key West, FL (2300 flight miles round trip, more or less). The trip consisted of (IIRC) 7 legs over about a week. No single day's flying met the requirement, but my examiner didn't question it. But, the only real answer is to ask your examiner ahead of time. If he's cool with it, you're good to go. If he objects, well, at least you know ahead of time where you stand (better to find out now than on the day of the checkride). 2.) Is there any "recency" requirement for this - e.g. does this trip not count because it was taken almost two years ago? There is certainly not currency requirement. Experience doesn't expire unless there is some specific time limit mentioned in the regs. |
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Roy Smith wrote:
But, the only real answer is to ask your examiner ahead of time. As far as I can tell, the following would be a legitimate XC by the regulation: Day 1: CDW-AUG (286 miles) AUG-CDW Day 2: CDW-4N1 (10 miles? 15?) 4N1-CDW My point is that it appears that any 250+ mile trip will likely yield a valid XC if combined with other flights from other days. And that seems contrary to the spirit of the regulation, at least how I grasp it. After all, why not simply require the 250 mile flight, or something along those lines? - Andrew |
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as far as I can tell.. from the information provided... you are good to
go... talk this over with your CFI.. the keys are distance covered.. furthest point at least 250nm from where you started.. and "solo" cross country... so one assumes that you did not take your girl friend / wife / significant other with you. BT "Marty Ross" wrote in message ink.net... I would like to use a flight I took two years ago to show I've satisfied the "Long Cross Country" requirement for my Commercial ticket. On that flight, I flew from SMO to O22 (259NM), then to (124NM) in one day, then turned around several days later and flew back - CIC to SZP (353 NM) to SMO (36NM), again in a single day. After reading the official requirement (see below), I think I have it. Note that it doesn't indicate that the flight needs to be done in a single day. But then, one could argue then that any "flight" that includes a single leg of over 250NM would qualify.... Go figure! Is there anywhere in the regs where it defines what "Cross-Country" flight means? Here is the requirement for the "Long Cross-Country" flight for the Commercial rating (FAR (§61.109.a.4.i): "One cross-country flight of not less than 300 nautical miles total distance, with landings at a minimum of three points, one of which is a straight-line distance of at least 250 nautical miles from the original departure point. However, if this requirement is being met in Hawaii, the longest segment need only have a straight-line distance of at least 150 nautical miles; and " [...], So, the questions remaining a 1.) Do the "three landings" have to be done in one day? 2.) Is there any "recency" requirement for this - e.g. does this trip not count because it was taken almost two years ago? 3.) Are there other reasons that I can't use this flight that I'm not even aware of?? Here are the details about the flight I am hoping fulfills this requirement for me: July 25, 2003: SMO = O22 (259 NM) O22 = CIC (124 NM) July 29, 2003: CIC = SZP (353 NM) SZP = SMO (36 NM) |
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The definition of "cross country" you are looking for is found in 61.1.
Bob Gardner "Marty Ross" wrote in message ink.net... I would like to use a flight I took two years ago to show I've satisfied the "Long Cross Country" requirement for my Commercial ticket. On that flight, I flew from SMO to O22 (259NM), then to (124NM) in one day, then turned around several days later and flew back - CIC to SZP (353 NM) to SMO (36NM), again in a single day. After reading the official requirement (see below), I think I have it. Note that it doesn't indicate that the flight needs to be done in a single day. But then, one could argue then that any "flight" that includes a single leg of over 250NM would qualify.... Go figure! Is there anywhere in the regs where it defines what "Cross-Country" flight means? Here is the requirement for the "Long Cross-Country" flight for the Commercial rating (FAR (§61.109.a.4.i): "One cross-country flight of not less than 300 nautical miles total distance, with landings at a minimum of three points, one of which is a straight-line distance of at least 250 nautical miles from the original departure point. However, if this requirement is being met in Hawaii, the longest segment need only have a straight-line distance of at least 150 nautical miles; and " [...], So, the questions remaining a 1.) Do the "three landings" have to be done in one day? 2.) Is there any "recency" requirement for this - e.g. does this trip not count because it was taken almost two years ago? 3.) Are there other reasons that I can't use this flight that I'm not even aware of?? Here are the details about the flight I am hoping fulfills this requirement for me: July 25, 2003: SMO = O22 (259 NM) O22 = CIC (124 NM) July 29, 2003: CIC = SZP (353 NM) SZP = SMO (36 NM) |
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Marty Ross wrote:
/snip/ So, the questions remaining a 1.) Do the "three landings" have to be done in one day? 2.) Is there any "recency" requirement for this - e.g. does this trip not count because it was taken almost two years ago? 3.) Are there other reasons that I can't use this flight that I'm not even aware of?? Marty, 1) No, 2) No, 3) Probably not. Happy Flying! Scott Skylane |
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