Katrina fall-out

"john smith" wrote in message
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Rick wrote:
I'll bet there could have been better solutions, and I'll bet that there
actually are enough military vehicles. I simply think there wasn't enough
planning and solutions in place.

It sure makes one wonder where all those hundreds of billions of Homeland
Security tax dollars are going?


Keeping nail clippers off airplanes.

Mike
MU-2

George Patterson wrote:
Jay Honeck wrote:

I would have been in my plane/van/car/whatever, aimed north...

Right. Like the guy with one leg that had to be carried for blocks to
get into the Superdome. How far north you reckon he would've gotten?

Well the storm went north, kinda. As it turns out, you'd be safer
pointing yourself west...

"Rick" wrote in message
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RST Engineering wrote in message ...
It would have been a hell of a lot cheaper to round up as many military
vehicles to form a human convoy to pack everybody a few hundred miles away
befor it hit the fan than paying to pick up mangled bodies afterwards.

Oh, wait, I forgot. Most of the military vehicles are keeping democracy
safe in a country that doesn't WANT us there.

How could I forget?

I'll bet there could have been better solutions, and I'll bet that there
actually are enough military vehicles. I simply think there wasn't enough
planning and solutions in place.

- Rick



It is difficult to evacuate people who don't want to go regardless of
resources availible.

Mike
MU-2

In article 6BDRe.7684$__1.2678@trnddc07, "sfb" wrote:

The challenge getting folks on the bus three days in advance is an
exercise left to the reader.

Friday morning, Katrina was a cat 1 just south of Naples, Florida some
600 miles from New Orleans. The west coast of Florida was still on
hurricane watches and warnings so motivating anybody in New Orleans to
evacuate would have been difficult.


You beat me to my thoughts. If you go through the NOAA archives you'll
see that even at noon on Saturday there was a 5% it would strike
either Cedar Key, FL or Galveston, TX. The chance of it passing within
65 nm of NO at that point was calculated as only about 20% (admittedly
it was at the top of the list at 20%). I don't think anyone outside a
Usenet heel digging contest would seriously propose evacuating 20
million people every time a cat 1 storm wanders into the gulf.

Rich Lemert wrote:
Jay Honeck wrote:

I would have been in my plane/van/car/whatever, aimed north...

You are making several assumptions here that are not completely
justifiable. The first is that these people did not listen to the
warnings. There's a difference between wanting to get out of Dodge,
and being able to do so. This is also reflected in the assumption
indicated by your last statement - the assumption that these people
had a "plane/van/car/whatever" that they could take north. For a lot
of people in the city, the best they can afford is the public bus or
streetcar system.

Hindsight being as good as it gets, the powers that be should have used
the public transportation to get as many out as possible. I see lots of
buses (city & school) underwater. Some of the effected areas took their
firetrucks and got them out of harms way. We had a dozen or so staying
locally in hotels. Could they have moved the 100,000 that are stranded
there now, maybe. Some people won't leave no matter what, Dan Luke and I
seem to be from that lineage. I live in a proven home (at least a half
dozen hurricanes and as many tornadoes, direct hits and near misses) and
have it well equipped for the long haul. These people aren't in that
situation...

Dylan Smith wrote:

What 100 city buses could do in a non-emergency situation when the
freeways had normal traffic flows is totally irrelevant to what they can
do when every major route is running at parking lot speeds.

16 hour drive from New Orleans to Houston according to a namesake I
frequently communicate with from there. Course they didn't need to take
them that far, but any the city buses could have removed, would have
been more than doing nothing until now with imported buses...

"john smith" wrote in message
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And now, for some aviation content: The looters in New Orleans are
SHOOTING at rescue helicopters!

They are just exercising their constitutional right to bear arms;-)

Which they looted from the WalMart, according to the news reports!

Safety measure, hell there are people with guns out there who might want the
food that's been looted too.

Must be the scenic route as Houston is something like 350 miles on I-10.

I-10. I-59, and I-55 were one way out bound so getting busses back would
be a challenge.

"Darrel Toepfer" wrote in message
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Dylan Smith wrote:

What 100 city buses could do in a non-emergency situation when the
freeways had normal traffic flows is totally irrelevant to what they
can
do when every major route is running at parking lot speeds.

16 hour drive from New Orleans to Houston according to a namesake I
frequently communicate with from there. Course they didn't need to
take them that far, but any the city buses could have removed, would
have been more than doing nothing until now with imported buses...

john smith wrote:
Rick wrote:

I'll bet there could have been better solutions, and I'll bet that there
actually are enough military vehicles. I simply think there wasn't enough
planning and solutions in place.


It sure makes one wonder where all those hundreds of billions of
Homeland Security tax dollars are going?

Imagine if this had been a real disaster?
Do mean to say that this hurricane was not a real disaster?

Bob Fry wrote:
"JH" == Jay Honeck writes:
America is the only country in the world with fat poor people.

It's the only country with so many fat people, period.

And that has a lot more to do with the huge fraction of processed
foods and fast food restaurants with grossly oversized proportions,
than anything else.

This from a man named "Fry"! ;^)