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Those *dangerous* Korean War relics
"Jim Macklin" wrote in message news:rXrgg.26079$ZW3.1474@dukeread04... Gee, I'm sorry that I didn't write out all the details, but my memory is accurate. I have no guilt or expectations. The reporter had been on assignment in Africa and was very glad he didn't have to live there. Keith Richburg http://capmag.com/article.asp?id=799 http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/AS...067579-4302305 (Out of Africa: A Black Man Confronts Africa). He was interviewed by Brian Lamb, this would have been before 9/11/2001, could have been several years earlier. I don't remember his name and don't care to spend a lot of time on Google looking for the results. As you say, somebody will remember the name of the book or the author and then you can apologize to me. Drescher? Ha, you're funny! -- Matt --------------------- Matthew W. Barrow Site-Fill Homes, LLC. Montrose, CO (MTJ) |
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"Neil Gould" wrote in message om... Recently, Jim Macklin posted: Importation of slaves was illegal in the USA after 1807, but ownership was still legal. The South's economy was based on hand labor agriculture, cotton. A lot of white people fought and died to free the slaves. A lot of Southerners fought and died to preserve their life-style. Both were honorable. The petitions issued from the south prior to 1861 all regarded TARIFFS that were deliberatley put in place to favor the industrial north. So, you believe it is honorable to fight and die to preserve the ability to own people as property? Gee...isn't hindsight beautiful? Wanna bet a months pay which side you'd have been on IN REAL TIME? Bet that145 years ago, you'd been "Massa". |
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Those *dangerous* Korean War relics
Gary Drescher wrote:
"Jim Macklin" wrote in message newsAtgg.26330$ZW3.14292@dukeread04... Gee, I do remember exactly what the author said, in context. Since did not make up what he said and this is neither a court of law or a college manuscript, my word is all that I need. Intellectual integrity should not be restricted to courts and colleges. It is deeply slanderous to claim that a respected black author had written "a book about how glad he is his ancestors were slaves", and deeply irresponsible to make such a defamatory claim without even trying to verify it. (Of course, a sufficiently racist person might not even realize that the claim is defamatory, and thus might not realize that special care is warranted before making the claim.) If you question my memory, you're certainly free to research the matter and print your results. That's ludicrous. It's impossible to prove that an alleged passage did *not* appear in some unnamed book by some unnamed author. The burden of proof is obviously on the person who claims it *did* appear. But your worldview is so impervious to reality that you are able to continue to believe that your recollection is accurate even if neither you nor anyone else is ever able to find the outrageous book you claim to have read. Thus, in your imaginary world, there are respectable African American authors who are grateful for slavery, and your inability to actually find such an author does nothing to undermine your self-serving belief. --Gary I saw the same interview on C-SPAN several years ago. Mr. Macklin's recollection is not inaccurate. I don't remember the exact words, phrases, and punctuation used, but Mr. Macklin correctly posted the gist of it here. Before challenging one's "worldview" and making remarks questioning "intellectual integrity," it's surely best to know what you are talking about. |
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You're so full of crap, YOU make assumptions and condemn
others without anything but your opinion and guilt. FO. "Gary Drescher" wrote in message ... | "Jim Macklin" wrote in message | newsAtgg.26330$ZW3.14292@dukeread04... | Gee, I do remember exactly what the author said, in context. | Since did not make up what he said and this is neither a | court of law or a college manuscript, my word is all that I | need. | | Intellectual integrity should not be restricted to courts and colleges. It | is deeply slanderous to claim that a respected black author had written "a | book about how glad he is his ancestors were slaves", and deeply | irresponsible to make such a defamatory claim without even trying to verify | it. (Of course, a sufficiently racist person might not even realize that the | claim is defamatory, and thus might not realize that special care is | warranted before making the claim.) | | If you question my memory, you're certainly free to | research the matter and print your results. | | That's ludicrous. It's impossible to prove that an alleged passage did *not* | appear in some unnamed book by some unnamed author. The burden of proof is | obviously on the person who claims it *did* appear. | | But your worldview is so impervious to reality that you are able to continue | to believe that your recollection is accurate even if neither you nor anyone | else is ever able to find the outrageous book you claim to have read. Thus, | in your imaginary world, there are respectable African American authors who | are grateful for slavery, and your inability to actually find such an author | does nothing to undermine your self-serving belief. | | --Gary | | |
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Thank you, do you remember the author's name or the title of
the book? Take that, Gary. "Ted Stanson" wrote in message ... | Gary Drescher wrote: | | "Jim Macklin" wrote in message | newsAtgg.26330$ZW3.14292@dukeread04... | | Gee, I do remember exactly what the author said, in context. | Since did not make up what he said and this is neither a | court of law or a college manuscript, my word is all that I | need. | | | Intellectual integrity should not be restricted to courts and colleges. It | is deeply slanderous to claim that a respected black author had written "a | book about how glad he is his ancestors were slaves", and deeply | irresponsible to make such a defamatory claim without even trying to verify | it. (Of course, a sufficiently racist person might not even realize that the | claim is defamatory, and thus might not realize that special care is | warranted before making the claim.) | | | If you question my memory, you're certainly free to | research the matter and print your results. | | | That's ludicrous. It's impossible to prove that an alleged passage did *not* | appear in some unnamed book by some unnamed author. The burden of proof is | obviously on the person who claims it *did* appear. | | But your worldview is so impervious to reality that you are able to continue | to believe that your recollection is accurate even if neither you nor anyone | else is ever able to find the outrageous book you claim to have read. Thus, | in your imaginary world, there are respectable African American authors who | are grateful for slavery, and your inability to actually find such an author | does nothing to undermine your self-serving belief. | | --Gary | | I saw the same interview on C-SPAN several years ago. Mr. Macklin's | recollection is not inaccurate. I don't remember the exact words, | phrases, and punctuation used, but Mr. Macklin correctly posted the gist | of it here. Before challenging one's "worldview" and making remarks | questioning "intellectual integrity," it's surely best to know what you | are talking about. |
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I said the people who fought on both sides of the Civil War
were honorable people. Some blacks fought for the South. I've never been a "redneck with a Confederate flag" on my car. I do not have any desire to own slaves, but I don't have any false ideas about why slavery existed either. -- The people think the Constitution protects their rights; But government sees it as an obstacle to be overcome. some support http://www.usdoj.gov/olc/secondamendment2.htm See http://www.fija.org/ more about your rights and duties. "Neil Gould" wrote in message om... | Recently, Jim Macklin posted: | | Importation of slaves was illegal in the USA after 1807, but | ownership was still legal. The South's economy was based on | hand labor agriculture, cotton. A lot of white people | fought and died to free the slaves. A lot of Southerners | fought and died to preserve their life-style. Both were | honorable. | | So, you believe it is honorable to fight and die to preserve the ability | to own people as property? | | But slavery was still wrong and it ceased to be | the same after 1865. But there was still economic "slavery" | for many people working for low wages in company towns, | buying food and clothes at the company store on credit. | | There is no similarity between the slavery of blacks and the "economic | slavery" that you describe. Those working for low wages in company towns | are not deemed the property of the company, with no individual rights. | They could not be hunted and killed for leaving town for better | circumstances. | | Laws change, society changes, hopefully for the better. We | should remember the past, so we don't continue to make the | same mistakes, but we must get over the anger and personal | feelings about what happened 50, 100, 150, 500, 2000 years | ago. | | The problem is that many of those mistakes -- particularly the mindset of | priviledge -- are still being made today, and that is what angers people | in the present. | | Neil | | | |
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Thanks.
-- The people think the Constitution protects their rights; But government sees it as an obstacle to be overcome. some support http://www.usdoj.gov/olc/secondamendment2.htm See http://www.fija.org/ more about your rights and duties. "Matt Barrow" wrote in message ... | | "Jim Macklin" wrote in message | news:rXrgg.26079$ZW3.1474@dukeread04... | Gee, I'm sorry that I didn't write out all the details, but | my memory is accurate. I have no guilt or expectations. | The reporter had been on assignment in Africa and was very | glad he didn't have to live there. | | Keith Richburg | http://capmag.com/article.asp?id=799 | | http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/AS...067579-4302305 | (Out of Africa: A Black Man Confronts Africa). | | He was interviewed by Brian Lamb, this would have been | before 9/11/2001, could have been several years earlier. I | don't remember his name and don't care to spend a lot of | time on Google looking for the results. As you say, | somebody will remember the name of the book or the author | and then you can apologize to me. | | Drescher? Ha, you're funny! | | -- | Matt | --------------------- | Matthew W. Barrow | Site-Fill Homes, LLC. | Montrose, CO (MTJ) | | |
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I see it was the Washington Post and not the WSJ.
"Matt Barrow" wrote in message ... | | "Jim Macklin" wrote in message | news:rXrgg.26079$ZW3.1474@dukeread04... | Gee, I'm sorry that I didn't write out all the details, but | my memory is accurate. I have no guilt or expectations. | The reporter had been on assignment in Africa and was very | glad he didn't have to live there. | | Keith Richburg | http://capmag.com/article.asp?id=799 | | http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/AS...067579-4302305 | (Out of Africa: A Black Man Confronts Africa). | | He was interviewed by Brian Lamb, this would have been | before 9/11/2001, could have been several years earlier. I | don't remember his name and don't care to spend a lot of | time on Google looking for the results. As you say, | somebody will remember the name of the book or the author | and then you can apologize to me. | | Drescher? Ha, you're funny! | | -- | Matt | --------------------- | Matthew W. Barrow | Site-Fill Homes, LLC. | Montrose, CO (MTJ) | | |
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"Matt Barrow" wrote in message
... "Jim Macklin" wrote in message news:rXrgg.26079$ZW3.1474@dukeread04... Gee, I'm sorry that I didn't write out all the details, but my memory is accurate. I have no guilt or expectations. The reporter had been on assignment in Africa and was very glad he didn't have to live there. Keith Richburg http://capmag.com/article.asp?id=799 http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/AS...067579-4302305 Yes, Richburg says he is glad his ancestors came to America. But that is not the same as his being glad they were enslaved (even if that is in fact how they got here). As I pointed out earlier, a Jewish person might similarly be glad his ancestors ended up in America, but without thereby being grateful for the holocaust that forced their migration. There's a *huge* difference. It would be monstrous for a person to be glad that a massive atrocity occurred just because, as a side effect, it left him personally better off than he believes he otherwise would have been (not to mention that the comparison is nonsensical--if history had gone differently than it actually did, then no one would exist who actually exists now; there'd be an entirely different set of people). Above all, what's astonishing is for someone here to *approvingly* cite that inaccurately-recalled monstrous sentiment while trying to defend the extremist right-wing position that America was a "free country" until 1864 but not afterward. --Gary |
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I stated that freedom was lost in 1968. Also, I was not
defending any "right-wing extremist" position. I did recount the interview and the answer that the author made, I was not characterizing his answer to a question, The author, Keith Richburg said he was thankful his ancestors had been brought to this country so he never had to live in Africa. I would say that "brought to" is slavery. I'm sure that if I had the money and time to waste, I could get a transcript or even the tape of the interview. But I will just drop the issue since it isn't worth my time to argue about what you think. -- The people think the Constitution protects their rights; But government sees it as an obstacle to be overcome. some support http://www.usdoj.gov/olc/secondamendment2.htm See http://www.fija.org/ more about your rights and duties. "Gary Drescher" wrote in message . .. | "Matt Barrow" wrote in message | ... | | "Jim Macklin" wrote in message | news:rXrgg.26079$ZW3.1474@dukeread04... | Gee, I'm sorry that I didn't write out all the details, but | my memory is accurate. I have no guilt or expectations. | The reporter had been on assignment in Africa and was very | glad he didn't have to live there. | | Keith Richburg | http://capmag.com/article.asp?id=799 | | http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/AS...067579-4302305 | | Yes, Richburg says he is glad his ancestors came to America. But that is not | the same as his being glad they were enslaved (even if that is in fact how | they got here). | | As I pointed out earlier, a Jewish person might similarly be glad his | ancestors ended up in America, but without thereby being grateful for the | holocaust that forced their migration. There's a *huge* difference. | | It would be monstrous for a person to be glad that a massive atrocity | occurred just because, as a side effect, it left him personally better off | than he believes he otherwise would have been (not to mention that the | comparison is nonsensical--if history had gone differently than it actually | did, then no one would exist who actually exists now; there'd be an entirely | different set of people). | | Above all, what's astonishing is for someone here to *approvingly* cite that | inaccurately-recalled monstrous sentiment while trying to defend the | extremist right-wing position that America was a "free country" until 1864 | but not afterward. | | --Gary | | |
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