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Bryan writes:
If GA disappeared tomorrow, commercial air travel would eventually suffer as well. Remember that many of those airline pilots flying around those big planes learned how to fly in little GA aircraft. But that is no longer necessary. Pilots can be trained from zero in simulators and then turned loose on the actual aircraft for a quick checkride, or perhaps for a revenue flight. This is what the Third World is considering in order to train enough pilots quickly enough to meet demand. The FAA is more conservative and probably won't allow this for some time to come, although everyone is moving in that direction. GA aircraft are so far from airliners now that training in them is of dubious value, and airliners themselves are too expensive and risky to fly for training. -- Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail. |
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Gig 601XL Builder writes:
So Anthony, how are you going to divide up assets for your plan that have been built up over 40 or 50 years of marriage between spouses that both worked and invested their hard earned money? Good question. Perhaps 50/50--that's the whole idea of marriage, isn't it? -- Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail. |
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kontiki writes:
People are required to have automobile insurance on their cars and no one bitches about that. Having an automobile is optional; getting sick is not. An automobile can damage people and property; a disease cannot. Automobile insurance usually costs less than $1300 a month, and most fender benders cost less than $40,000; medical costs, however, are much higher. When it comes to paying for their own medical care I guess they think someone else should pay for it. In principle, the rate of illness for everyone is just about the same, so if everyone pays for it, it should work out just fine. The problems arise when greed and corruption enter the game. -- Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail. |
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Morgans writes:
Well, you do realize that about half of your medical bills (perhaps more) are there to pay for the people that do not pay their bills. Most of your bills line the pockets of shareholders. And in many cases, a large part of your bill is fraudulent, charging you for things that were never done. -- Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail. |
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Bryan wrote:
On Feb 12, 11:01 am, Mxsmanic wrote: If GA disappeared tomorrow, virtually nothing would perceptibly change in the U.S. If commercial air travel disappeared, the country would nearly grind to a halt. If GA disappeared tomorrow, commercial air travel would eventually suffer as well. Remember that many of those airline pilots flying around those big planes learned how to fly in little GA aircraft. -- Bryan GA will not disappear. The folks who buy new $500,000 piston singles will not disappear. The airlines will eventually, perhaps, use these advanced piston birds to train their pilots from scratch, if necessary. No one is proposing to abolish light aircraft from most of the airspace. |
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Sam Spade wrote: The airlines will eventually, perhaps, use these advanced piston birds to train their pilots from scratch, if necessary. They've been doing that for a long time. Lufthansa uses Bonanza's in Arizona, some of them have over 14,000 hours on them. When I was at GFK in the early 90's UND had a program where airlines would send over zero time students and they would leave UND in less thyan a year as first officers on Airbuses and 747's. We had students from Gulf Air, China Airlines and a third one that I can't recall right now. They started their private pilot training in Piper Arrows and then moved into Seminoles, King Airs and then finally Citations and Beechjets. |
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"Newps" wrote They've been doing that for a long time. Lufthansa uses Bonanza's in Arizona, some of them have over 14,000 hours on them. When I was at GFK in the early 90's UND had a program where airlines would send over zero time students and they would leave UND in less thyan a year as first officers on Airbuses and 747's. We had students from Gulf Air, China Airlines and a third one that I can't recall right now. They started their private pilot training in Piper Arrows and then moved into Seminoles, King Airs and then finally Citations and Beechjets. The biggest shame about the whole thing, is that this whole thing threatens to break a system that is essentially not broken. All to better serve the big money at the airlines. It makes me sick to think that I, at the time, supported their bail-out of the post 9-11 period. One can hope that this blows over until after the next presidential election. It would be nice to think that our representatives can think for themselves, and not allow the package to go through. -- Jim in NC |
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Blueskies wrote:
"scott moore" wrote in message ... :: : : And the "profit motive" has given us wx delivered by geosyncronous : satellite, including graphics. The FAA has given us an operator who : reads web pages to you. : : The government would have got round to giving you satellite delivered : weather and graphics, certainly by 2040 at the latest. : : By the way, all of that graphical weather comes from Nexrad radar, an : expensive and advanced system YOU paid to build. How much progress has : the FAA or NOAA made in getting that information to you in the cockpit? : (without commercial help) : : Scott Exactly my point, we (the US govment) have captured and disseminated the data using tax payer dollars. That data is given to a private company and then sold back us (the US tax payer) in a different form. That is not right. The non-responsiveness of the govment is not right either, but just because they are slow to the 'market' does not mean we should throw out the baby with the bathwater... The US government invented and deployed Nexrad, the most advanced weather radar system on the planet, so that ma and pa could find out if it is going to rain on the monday morning commute. The Nexrad data gets beamed up to a satellite, bounced to NOAA for interpretation, beamed to the networks, bounced off a distribution satellite, and presented on a digital television. For ma and pa. For pilots, the government has managed to distribute it to briefers who give you an interpretation by voice radio, via AM (aptitude modulation), a technology that was invented by an Italian in the late 1800s, more than a century ago. Now, you can, for a fee, to a private company, get your nexrad pictures, within 5-10 minutes old, off a satellite, direct to your airplane. Why? Because ma and pa wanted to listen to Howard Stern asking some stripper if he can put his hand down her pants. Live. Via digital radio. Now tell me about how the government is doing a good job for pilots. Scott |
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Mxsmanic wrote:
Gig 601XL Builder writes: The "hobby" flying that people, including the wealthy, do adds so little to the cost of maintaining the national airspace system that it is hardly worth mentioning. The things that get money spent on them like airports are helping the struggling masses by supporting businesses that create jobs. I strongly suspect that GA is more of a burden than an asset for the population and society at large. Commercial air travel is a necessity; general aviation is not. GA is a gnat on the publics rear end. We use a resource nobody else cares about or wants, that is, the airspace between 1000 and 18000 feet AGL. The only part of that anyone else cares about is the circle around large airports that big metal uses to climb up and down to their accustomed flight altitudes. We use 3000 feet of pavement when the general public uses countless miles of it. We use fields out of town and give them up when the town grows out to the "useless" land the airports were built on and want it "back". We use a tiny fraction of the fuel, have virtually no environmental impact compared to cars and ATVs. Our accident rate, for whatever the danger to pilots per hour is, is to the general public a fraction of carnage done yearly by portable power saws, much less anything more dangerous like a car or truck. We are accused of noise pollution even though our total impact is less than a years production of Harley Davidson. We are accused of air pollution even though our total output is likely less than the lawn mowers in LA. And despite the fact that we use a resource that is virtually free and has unlimited capacity (airspace) there is always someone who thinks that we shouldn't have it, because they can't have it. Don't worry, I'm sure you'll get your way someday. Scott |
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scott moore writes:
And despite the fact that we use a resource that is virtually free and has unlimited capacity (airspace) there is always someone who thinks that we shouldn't have it, because they can't have it. In the case of GA, it's more a matter of people who think you shouldn't have it because they don't see any reason for it--they don't want it. If the loss of GA is nothing to them, they figure it's nothing to you, and if they outnumber you, you lose. If you cannot understand the viewpoint of the public at large, you can only damage your own interests by making a fuss. Don't worry, I'm sure you'll get your way someday. To whom are you addressing this? -- Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail. |
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