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Old September 14th 10, 04:47 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
RN
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Default Future Club Training Gliders

The current issues with the L-13 Blaniks has our club looking at
alternatives and developing a plan for the future training gliders we
will need.

We would be very interested in other club's experience with other
trainers, and what you are using and planning to use in the future.

Our evaluation parameters include high useful load for heavy students
and instructors, ease and availability of parts for maintenance and
repair, durability for student solo operations, and up front cost .

John
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Old September 14th 10, 06:25 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Tony[_5_]
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Default Future Club Training Gliders


Our evaluation parameters include high useful load for heavy students
and instructors, ease and availability of parts for maintenance and
repair, *durability for student solo operations, and up front cost .

John


2-33 and 2-22? What's old is new again...
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Old September 14th 10, 07:44 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Frank Whiteley
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Default Future Club Training Gliders

On Sep 14, 9:47*am, RN wrote:
The current issues with the L-13 Blaniks has our club looking at
alternatives and developing a plan for the future training gliders we
will need.

We would be very interested in other club's experience with other
trainers, and what you are using and planning to use in the future.

Our evaluation parameters include high useful load for heavy students
and instructors, ease and availability of parts for maintenance and
repair, *durability for student solo operations, and up front cost .

John


Current production, training and ride gliders.

Last I heard K-21 wait was 6 months, but that was three months ago.
May be far different now. Very popular.

There's no track record on the SZD-54 Perkoz yet, but price may be
favorable. SZD-50 Puchacz, either you like them or you don't.

Clubs using DG-1000's and DG-505's seem quite pleased with them (apart
maybe from the subscription, if applicable)

PW-6 has been around a while. 7 on the US registry.

Possible production.

L-23. Apparently still available but reportedly none built for a
while.

The Peregrine.....If you would consider one of these, you might write
them about your interest, quantity needed, and its suitability to your
requirements; training, rides, or recreational use. http://www.peregrineaerospace.com/
Such documented interest will help with their hunt for capital. Tim
and Patti Barry have been trying to bring this glider to US production
for eight years, encountering some big hurdles along the way. With
financial backing, they say they could be in production in 4-6
months. Currently all tooling and stock is in storage. About 60 have
been built as the Krosno KR-03a and are in several countries,
including 18 on the US registry. Possibly lowest priced if returns to
production. Will have to build three under FAA inspection.

Frank Whiteley
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Old September 14th 10, 09:27 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
bildan
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Default Future Club Training Gliders

On Sep 14, 12:44*pm, Frank Whiteley wrote:
On Sep 14, 9:47*am, RN wrote:

The current issues with the L-13 Blaniks has our club looking at
alternatives and developing a plan for the future training gliders we
will need.


We would be very interested in other club's experience with other
trainers, and what you are using and planning to use in the future.


Our evaluation parameters include high useful load for heavy students
and instructors, ease and availability of parts for maintenance and
repair, *durability for student solo operations, and up front cost .


John


Current production, training and ride gliders.

Last I heard K-21 wait was 6 months, but that was three months ago.
May be far different now. *Very popular.

There's no track record on the SZD-54 Perkoz yet, but price may be
favorable. *SZD-50 Puchacz, either you like them or you don't.

Clubs using DG-1000's and DG-505's seem quite pleased with them (apart
maybe from the subscription, if applicable)

PW-6 has been around a while. 7 on the US registry.

Possible production.

L-23. *Apparently still available but reportedly none built for a
while.

The Peregrine.....If you would consider one of these, you might write
them about your interest, quantity needed, and its suitability to your
requirements; training, rides, or recreational use.http://www.peregrineaerospace.com/
Such documented interest will help with their hunt for capital. *Tim
and Patti Barry have been trying to bring this glider to US production
for eight years, encountering some big hurdles along the way. *With
financial backing, they say they could be in production in 4-6
months. *Currently all tooling and stock is in storage. *About 60 have
been built as the Krosno KR-03a and are in several countries,
including 18 on the US registry. *Possibly lowest priced if returns to
production. *Will have to build three under FAA inspection.

Frank Whiteley


ASK-21's are expensive and hard to get but it's VERY hard to find
something to complain about on the glider. The ASK-21 is an absolute
joy to instruct in - big cockpits, big payload, wonderfully
coordinated controls, very forgiving, soars like an angel, easy to
rig, rugged as a tank. ASK-21's make people want to come back for
more, Beautiful glider - makes a 2-33 look like a boat anchor.

Oh, I guess I could complain about the rear canopy acting like a
parabolic mirror which can burn holes in the instructors headrest - if
you point it at the sun and leave the rear canopy open. But, you just
learn not to do that.

DG-505's are just as nice with better performance but perhaps a little
less rugged than an ASK-21.

Peregrine? I think maybe the L-13 debacle has taught us a lesson
about metal gliders.

PW-6? flew one once and liked it but I don't know how they are holding
up.
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Old September 15th 10, 12:13 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
John Cochrane[_2_]
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Default Future Club Training Gliders

I just talked to John Murray about other stuff, and he mentioned that
ASK 21 are actually remarkably easy to get right now. Our club
(chicago glider club) just bought a new ASK21, and it's a joy both to
fly and teach in.

John Cochrane
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Old September 15th 10, 03:49 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
ray conlon
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Default Future Club Training Gliders

On Sep 14, 7:13*pm, John Cochrane
wrote:
I just talked to John Murray about other stuff, and he mentioned that
ASK 21 are actually remarkably easy to get right now. Our club
(chicago glider club) just bought a new ASK21, and it's a joy both to
fly and teach in.

John Cochrane


Get the Schweizers to bring back the 2-33's, the best BASIC trainer
ever built....
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Old September 15th 10, 05:24 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
BTiz
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Default Future Club Training Gliders

On Sep 14, 7:49*pm, ray conlon wrote:


Get the Schweizers to bring back the 2-33's, the best BASIC trainer
ever built....


I remember a discussion that a group had asked L&S Soaring to redesign
the basic 2-33A, larger aft cockpit, and start building it again.
It may have been a Canadian group. But maybe there still is a US
market. And put a CG hook on it.
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Old September 15th 10, 05:48 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
kirk.stant
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Default Future Club Training Gliders

On Sep 14, 7:49*pm, ray conlon wrote:
On Sep 14, 7:13*pm, John Cochrane
wrote:

I just talked to John Murray about other stuff, and he mentioned that
ASK 21 are actually remarkably easy to get right now. Our club
(chicago glider club) just bought a new ASK21, and it's a joy both to
fly and teach in.


John Cochrane


Get the Schweizers to bring back the 2-33's, the best BASIC trainer
ever built....


Yeah, and the Air Force is going to replace it's T-38s with AT-6s.
Sorry, but the 2-33 is simply not the right trainer anymore (if it
ever was, considering that it postdates the Blanik and is a
contemporary of the sweet little ASK-13!). We need to attract people
to this sport, not drive them away screaming (or laughing,,,)

Kirk
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Old September 15th 10, 03:57 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
bildan
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Default Future Club Training Gliders

On Sep 14, 5:13*pm, John Cochrane
wrote:
I just talked to John Murray about other stuff, and he mentioned that
ASK 21 are actually remarkably easy to get right now. Our club
(chicago glider club) just bought a new ASK21, and it's a joy both to
fly and teach in.

John Cochrane


Really good news!

Buy ASK-21's, they can't be beat as a trainer. Heck, even 2-33
trained pilots can manage to fly them - after they're retrained.
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Old September 15th 10, 02:54 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
John Smith
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Default Future Club Training Gliders

Am 15.09.10 01:13, schrieb John Cochrane:
I just talked to John Murray about other stuff, and he mentioned that
ASK 21 are actually remarkably easy to get right now. Our club
(chicago glider club) just bought a new ASK21, and it's a joy both to
fly and teach in.


I don't understand why someone would still buy an ASK21 today when you
can get a DG1000 or a Duo which offer *much* more performance for little
more money. And yes, they are perfectly suited for primary training.
 




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