A aviation & planes forum. AviationBanter

If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below.

Go Back   Home » AviationBanter forum » rec.aviation newsgroups » Piloting
Site Map Home Register Authors List Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read Web Partners

Washington DC airspace closing for good?



 
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old August 4th 05, 02:30 AM
tony roberts
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default Washington DC airspace closing for good?


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050804/...al_restricted_
airspace


Tony
--

Tony Roberts
PP-ASEL
VFR OTT
Night
Cessna 172H C-GICE
  #2  
Old August 4th 05, 02:51 AM
George Patterson
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default

tony roberts wrote:

Looks like it.
http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/newsite...50803adiz.html

George Patterson
Give a person a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a person to
use the Internet and he won't bother you for weeks.
  #3  
Old August 4th 05, 03:09 AM
Michael 182
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default

It's incredibly stupid, but it is not, as the topic suggests, a proposal to
close DC airspace. I assume it is a proposal to make the ADIZ permanent.

Michael


  #4  
Old August 4th 05, 04:12 AM
George Patterson
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default

Michael 182 wrote:
It's incredibly stupid, but it is not, as the topic suggests, a proposal to
close DC airspace. I assume it is a proposal to make the ADIZ permanent.


Not exactly. It's a proposal to turn the ADIZ into restricted airspace. That
effectively closes it to many of us.

George Patterson
Give a person a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a person to
use the Internet and he won't bother you for weeks.
  #5  
Old August 4th 05, 08:36 AM
Larry Dighera
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default

On Thu, 04 Aug 2005 03:12:06 GMT, George Patterson
wrote in aIfIe.12003$W72.2040@trndny05::


Not exactly. It's a proposal to turn the ADIZ into restricted airspace. That
effectively closes it to many of us.


The FAA proposal to change the DC ADIZ into Restricted airspace with a
ceiling of 18,000' is likely an effort to further de-clutter it.
Perhaps there are so many authorized flights using the airspace now,
that it is too congested to permit effective radar tracking of primary
targets. If so, perhaps a new radar installation might be more
effective.

One wonders how flights originating within the airspace, and
congressional commuters will be handled when it becomes Restricted.


  #6  
Old August 4th 05, 10:34 AM
Happy Dog
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default

"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 04 Aug 2005 03:12:06 GMT, George Patterson
wrote in aIfIe.12003$W72.2040@trndny05::


Not exactly. It's a proposal to turn the ADIZ into restricted airspace.
That
effectively closes it to many of us.


The FAA proposal to change the DC ADIZ into Restricted airspace with a
ceiling of 18,000' is likely an effort to further de-clutter it.


Crap.

http://www.aopa.org/

Join if you already haven't.

moo


  #7  
Old August 4th 05, 02:56 PM
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default

Hm...I just read the proposed changes and I don't see that:

http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/newsite...4adiz-nprm.pdf

Am I missing something here?

What I read is that the current adiz requirements would be made
permanent. Where does it deviate from that?

This PDF hadn't been linked to the AOPA article last night, so I went
to bed thinking my flying days were effectively over after reading your
post.

Now, after reading it, I think its what Michael said it is, a proposal
to make the ADIZ permanent.

I fly out of leesburg. The proceedures are really not that dificult or
time consuming for a plane with mode C:

-Call Flight service and file an ADIZ FP prior to flight. Five minutes
and can be done while driving to airport.

-Call CD prior to takeing off to get a code and departure freq.

-Call ATC and remain in contact after leaving the pattern (no need to
call if you are staying in the pattern)

-BC

  #8  
Old August 4th 05, 03:43 PM
Larry Dighera
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default

On 4 Aug 2005 06:56:26 -0700, wrote in
.com::

What I read is that the current adiz requirements would be made
permanent. Where does it deviate from that?


AOPA says it will be a restricted area:

http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/newsite...50803adiz.html
AOPA will oppose an FAA proposal scheduled for release tomorrow
that would codify flight restrictions in the Washington, D.C.,
metropolitan area. The restricted area would replace the current
air defense identification zone (ADIZ). It would receive a
brand-new designation, "National Defense Airspace," and cover
nearly 2,000 square miles around Washington, D.C., extending to an
altitude of 18,000 feet.


  #9  
Old August 4th 05, 03:47 PM
Larry Dighera
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default

On Thu, 4 Aug 2005 05:34:59 -0400, "Happy Dog"
wrote in ::

"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 04 Aug 2005 03:12:06 GMT, George Patterson
wrote in aIfIe.12003$W72.2040@trndny05::


Not exactly. It's a proposal to turn the ADIZ into restricted airspace.
That
effectively closes it to many of us.


The FAA proposal to change the DC ADIZ into Restricted airspace with a
ceiling of 18,000' is likely an effort to further de-clutter it.


Crap.


Oh, no thank you.


http://www.aopa.org/

Join if you already haven't.


While I've been an AOPA member for decades, I completely fail to
understand how that relates to your outburst.

moo


Oh. And here I expected to be debating with a non bovine airman. Oh
well...
  #10  
Old August 4th 05, 04:09 PM
Peter R.
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default

Larry Dighera wrote:

Oh, no thank you.


http://www.aopa.org/

Join if you already haven't.


While I've been an AOPA member for decades, I completely fail to
understand how that relates to your outburst.

moo


Oh. And here I expected to be debating with a non bovine airman. Oh
well...


Stand down, Larry.

He was expressing his frustration to the newsgroup at large regarding the
news that this closing looks to be a reality and he making a statement to
pilots in general that now more than ever pilots need to join AOPA to fight
this restriction.

He was not directing his comments specifically at you.

--
Peter























 




Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
NAS and associated computer system Newps Instrument Flight Rules 8 August 12th 04 05:12 AM
AOPA Sells-Out California Pilots in Military Airspace Grab? Larry Dighera Instrument Flight Rules 12 April 26th 04 06:12 PM
AOPA Sells-Out California Pilots in Military Airspace Grab? Larry Dighera Piloting 12 April 26th 04 06:12 PM
12 Dec 2003 - Today’s Military, Veteran, War and National Security News Otis Willie Naval Aviation 0 December 13th 03 12:01 AM
USAF = US Amphetamine Fools RT Military Aviation 104 September 25th 03 03:17 PM


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 09:34 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©2004-2024 AviationBanter.
The comments are property of their posters.