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On Jun 29, 9:45*am, Jock Proudfoot wrote:
*. . * I don't have an exact location for the crash and there is some uncertainty in my mind as to whether the location given in a different article is correct... because I can't match that tree line to anything I can see on satellite views where the accident is said to have occurred. *More likely is that it is a bit farther out. -Evan / T8 Location; *N 43 *48' *7" *W *80 *24' *43.71" Fuselage approx 15' south of the treeline. *Facing SW, parallel to the treeline. On it's belly. Debris field contained to approx 50' radius Cheers * ...Jock Thanks. This helps a lot. But now it's even more of a puzzle. Google map the location. It's 1.18 miles E/SE of a visible airport, marked "arthur aerodrome" on google maps. There's an even closer "Bellwood Aerodrome" but that doesn't exist according to the satellite photo. It's 3.05 miles SE of the intersection of the runways at York. Most of all, there are huge fields all over the place, bigger than this one, with no trees at the ends, and next to the obvious roads, unlike this field which is landlocked with no visible trailer access. It just makes no sense to land in this field, let alone run in to the trees. I hope the accident investigation unravels the mysteries a bit. Ugh. John Cochrane |
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On Jun 29, 10:45*am, Jock Proudfoot wrote:
*. . * I don't have an exact location for the crash and there is some uncertainty in my mind as to whether the location given in a different article is correct... because I can't match that tree line to anything I can see on satellite views where the accident is said to have occurred. *More likely is that it is a bit farther out. -Evan / T8 Location; *N 43 *48' *7" *W *80 *24' *43.71" Fuselage approx 15' south of the treeline. *Facing SW, parallel to the treeline. On it's belly. Debris field contained to approx 50' radius Cheers * ...Jock Thanks. This location and orientation raises more questions in my mind than it answers. Only the flight log will sort this out. -Evan Ludeman / T8 |
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Per Google Earth I believe that the crash site (N 43 48' 7" W 80 24' 43.71) was 2.61 miles(4.18 km) SE of the center of the contest airport (Arthur East Field) (N 43° 50' 26" W 80° 26' 34").
On Thursday, June 28, 2012 8:39:28 PM UTC-4, Evan Ludeman wrote: On Jun 28, 7:44*pm, John Cochrane wrote: Ramy The accident was described to me by friends on site... who probably don't feel like talking about it. *I don't much, either, except to say it's clear that it was a landing accident, hit trees on short final. High winds a factor, probably. *Good field was selected, pattern was flown, it wasn't some panic straight in thing. *Location is ~2 miles SSE of YSA. *I liked Derek. *Very sad about this. -Evan Ludeman / T8 Evan: At 2 miles out it would only take 300 feet to make it home. "Good pattern" and 2 miles out don't really add up. If you have 600 feet at 2 miles to make a good pattern, making it to the airport is easy. I don't intend uninformed criticism of the pilot here, 2 miles out is a coffin corner for all of us. *I am just curious whether to file the tragedy in the *"final glide mishap" rather than "landout mishap" category. I note the Canadian rules say a 500 foot finish cylinder at 2 km, but still the rather mild altitude penalty of 20 points per 100 feet, unlike the current US rule in which you are scored as a landout 200 feet below finish height. *Also that the altitude is up to the CD. Do you know the finish configuration at this contest? Sorry to bring it up on ras, but this is the sort of thing that no NTSB ever would have the wit to ask. 2 miles out puts the pilot half a mile from the finish cylinder, an unusual place for a pilot to abandon a task. http://www.sac.ca/index2.php?option=...iew&gid=538 &... Thanks for the info. I'm only pursuing it because it has been a terrible season, and perhaps time to search again if there is anything we can do to lessen the frequency of these tragedies. John Cochrane I haven't talked to the person who has the flight log, let alone seen it myself. We really can't analyze this accident without it. I don't have an exact location for the crash and there is some uncertainty in my mind as to whether the location given in a different article is correct... because I can't match that tree line to anything I can see on satellite views where the accident is said to have occurred. More likely is that it is a bit farther out. I really only weighed in here because I am as certain as I can be based on second or third hand info that this was a landing accident, not a thermaling stall/spin, as one might have suspected based on the news. -Evan / T8 |
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For those without Google Earth this site is about 50 miles WNW of
Toronto, Canada near the village of Metz. This terrain is nothing but huge, 2000+ foot landable fields in all directions. The tree line mentioned is just that: a single line of trees. The only obstacle to a straight in landing. Easy to avoid. I agree that this may have been a health emergency that caused this. |
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