Stop whining, America!

In article ,
Bob Noel wrote:
In article et,
"Mike Rapoport" wrote:

It is cheaper to prevent an accident than to deal with the aftermath.

not always.


ask ford


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In article ,
Dylan Smith wrote:
On 2005-08-28, W P Dixon wrote:
Ships are designed to flex. Remember back in WWII when Kaiser was building
liberty ships, it was a problem because Kaiser had the entire thing welded

I went on the Jerimah O'Brien (a Liberty ship) a few weeks ago in San
Fransisco. I thought it was a static museum ship until I went on board
and discovered they still sail it. The engine room was very impressive.

Aerial photos of the Jerimah O'Brien under steam:

http://www.clear-prop.org/fly-05-22-05/ (start at #1260)

John
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Great!,
thanks for the pics link! I enjoyed going to the O'Brien website and
reading about it. If I ever go to San Fran I would go see her before doing
anything else!

Patrick
student SPL
aircraft structural mech

"John Clear" wrote in message
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In article ,
Dylan Smith wrote:
On 2005-08-28, W P Dixon wrote:
Ships are designed to flex. Remember back in WWII when Kaiser was
building
liberty ships, it was a problem because Kaiser had the entire thing
welded

I went on the Jerimah O'Brien (a Liberty ship) a few weeks ago in San
Fransisco. I thought it was a static museum ship until I went on board
and discovered they still sail it. The engine room was very impressive.

Aerial photos of the Jerimah O'Brien under steam:

http://www.clear-prop.org/fly-05-22-05/ (start at #1260)

John
--
John Clear - http://www.clear-prop.org/

Mike Rapoport wrote:
It is cheaper to prevent an accident than to deal with the aftermath.

It is _now_, but it didn't used to be and for good (relevant) reasons.


, you can't hire 15 year

old children, nor make them work 14 hour days for 5 dollars,


This is bad?

Yes.


If US based companies hired workers for 10X the wages of their (foriegn)
competitors, do you think that anyone would buy their products? What would
happen to the jobs then?

Looks like you put your finger right on it.........

LS
N646F


Mike
MU-2

"ls" wrote in message
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George Patterson wrote:
Jay Honeck wrote:


Both, of course. Our economy has grown strongly and well --


Not in the NY-NJ area it hasn't.

I must have missed it here in our area too (central TX) because, last I
checked, the local economy was anything but red hot. For example, a
little over a year ago I applied for a job answering phones for Sears -
they had had _1700_ applicants for that one job at that time. That was
basically the story for every job I applied for.

Regarding the cost of our infrastructure, it's not a simple equation.
One of the reasons labor is so expensive in the US is because it's so
well protected. You have to pay a minimum wage, you have to provide a
minimal level of safety in your work environment, you can't hire 15 year
old children, nor make them work 14 hour days for 5 dollars, you have to
follow various rules as far as time off and benifits and so on.

In fact, the history of labor in the US is long and bloody - those
protections aren't just onerous inconveniences for the rich, but
hard-won protections for the people and their families.

Now it should be clear why "globalization" is so seductive for US
businesses - other economies such as China and India don't have the same
protections in place for their labor pools. In fact, they're just ripe
for the picking as well as cheap, cheap, cheap.

When you can hire and use a foreign laborer for 1/10 of the cost of an
American equivalent to do the same job, well, there goes your
high-fallootin' principles against exploitation of cheap labor.

Don't ask me why I know all this.....

In sum, there's a LOT wrong with our current situation - it's
complicated and will be very difficult and painful to fix...

It will never get fixed due to the fact the government is in charge of the
fixing. Only thing that is for sure is that it will get much worse.

"Stubby" wrote in message
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Matt Barrow wrote:
"JohnH" wrote in message But we fought Iraq for
cheap oil!!!

So why don't we have it? Hint: we purchase oil on the world market like
everybody else. OPEC sets the price.

Bravo for pointing this out...

If our actions in the Middle East are only about "cheap oil", why didn't we
completely take over Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and Iraq after the first Gulf War
.... declare ourselves the "owners" of the Middle East and just take it all
without buying any?

Jay Beckman
PP-ASEL
Arizona Cloudbusters
Chandler, AZ

In article ,
Eduardo K. wrote:

It is cheaper to prevent an accident than to deal with the aftermath.

not always.

ask ford

Think airbag.

--
Bob Noel
no one likes an educated mule

On 2005-08-28, Jay Honeck wrote:
For heaven's sake don't let the locals know you said Jersey was part of
the UK! The Channel Islands isn't part of the UK, even though it's
British territory.

How can it be British territory and not part of the United Kingdom?

The United Kingdom consists of four countries: England, Wales, Scotland
and Northern Ireland - and nothing else. Great Britain is the island
containing England Wales and Scotland.

British territories include The Falklands, Diego Garcia, Gibraltar, the
Channel Islands (Jersey, Guernsey, Alderney et al.), the Isle of Man,
British Virgin Islands etc. They are self governed (for example, here in
the Isle of Man we have our own parliament, known as the House Of Keys,
which has been in existence for over 1000 years), make their own laws,
raise their own taxes, print their own currency (which is usually kept
on a par with the British pound). My passport is an Isle of Man
passport, not a UK passport (it is still a British passport though, but
it occasionally gets a comment from the US immigration officers - "don't
see many of them").

In the case of the Isle of Man, the Queen of England is not the Queen of
the Isle of Man, she is merely the Lord of Mann (although the picture of
the Queen on our money is MUCH more flattering than it is on the UK
money - she doesn't have a double chin on our money for a start. Don't
confuse her with the Lady of Mann which is a passenger ship operated by
the IOMSPC, and probably the best ship for crossing the north Irish Sea
during a winter storm).

ObAviation: Components for Martin-Baker ejection seats are made here.

--
Dylan Smith, Castletown, Isle of Man
Flying: http://www.dylansmith.net
Frontier Elite Universe: http://www.alioth.net
"Maintain thine airspeed, lest the ground come up and smite thee"

On 2005-08-29, W P Dixon wrote:
Great!,
thanks for the pics link! I enjoyed going to the O'Brien website and
reading about it. If I ever go to San Fran I would go see her before doing
anything else!

There's also a world war II submarine moored there. That's worth
visiting too.

--
Dylan Smith, Castletown, Isle of Man
Flying: http://www.dylansmith.net
Frontier Elite Universe: http://www.alioth.net
"Maintain thine airspeed, lest the ground come up and smite thee"

Jay Honeck wrote:

How can it be British territory and not part of the United Kingdom?

If you don't even know such basics of your best friend, then no wonder
that you have no clue when it comes to understand your ennemies.

Stefan