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: : : So in 1917 Britain had nothing to give : : : :
: : : And yet oddly they wound up with it. : : : :
Funny how that works, don't you think? : : : : [No, you
don't, which is your problem.] : : : : : : : :Thank
you. I'm going to read up more on this when I have the :
time. : : : : : : : Just don't ask Vinnie's advice.
He'll almost inevitably mess it up. : : : : : : It's
the same as a car thief stealing on demand : : : : you sell
what you don't own, so you go out and steal it : : : : :
:But, Vince, why? oh, why? : : : : Because Vinnie suffers
from the Irish Disease - an over fondness for : drink and an
unreasoning hatred of the English. : : It's the same bull****
response his Bush Derangement Syndrome causes. : Only the
target is different. Unreasoning reaction is easier than :
thinking, particularly when drinking... : : : Note the lack of
facts : When the facts get in Fred's way : He resorts to abuse
: :

Poor Vinnie. Reality never gets in his way.

Vinnie thinks his loathing for the English (and Bush) and his
unthinking reaction when talking about either aren't 'facts' and
that noticing them is 'abuse'.
Again a fine example of Bush logic Clearly at the 99th percentile
of Republican intelligence

Just keep reading the dates

: : : The record, the time line and Jack Straws comments speak
for themselves : :

And so does the historical record. Germany had bugger all to do
with "the Jews getting a Homeland", since such was proposed LONG
before.

My goodness what ignorance

Germany was involved in a war with England and its ally was the
Ottoman empire. England expected to take Palestine from Germany's
ally, in the same way France expected to get territory directly
from Germany etc. The promise was made to thank the Zionists for
their support of the English war effort against the Germans

What would be the definitive book or site for this information,
Vince?


- nilita


For a quick cite

Britannica Concise
Chaim Weizmann
born Nov. 27, 1874, Motol, Pol., Russian Empire
died Nov. 9, 1952, Reovot, Israel

Russian-born Israeli chemist and first president of Israel (1949–52).

After studying in Germany and Switzerland, he earned a doctorate in
chemistry and patented several dyestuffs before moving to England to
teach in 1904. His 1912 discovery of a bacterium that could convert
carbohydrate to acetone proved of great value to the British armaments
industry in World War I (1914–18), and in return the government aided
his negotiations for the Balfour Declaration (1917).


1916 - The secret Sykes-Picot Agreement was signed May 16 carving up
the Mideast between England and France. Weizmann had been influential in
the diplomacy leading to the agreement, insuring that Palestine would be
internationalized and later become the Zionist state. Many British Jews
opposed transferring national allegiance from Great Britain to Palestine
during wartime. Weizmann therefore urged Great Britain to publicly
support Palestine, and his greatest achievement in the Zionist movement
was the alliance with the British government that culminated in the 1917
Balfour Declaration.

http://history.sandiego.edu/GEN/ww1/weizmann.html


No Germany, no war, no cordite shortage no Zionist influence
No Balfour declaration

The Jews, mostly from Russia, had been moving into the area since the
1880's buying up land from largely absentee Turkish landlords
and this would have continued anyway. By the time of the annexation
of the area by the British the Jewish populace was already seriously
on the way to becoming a majority. Something which the Arabs were
very worried about - as are most people who are in danger of becoming
outnumbered by an immigrant population. It was the British who
imposed serious limits on further immigration and land purchase.

Eugene L Griessel

The only cure for insomnia is to get more sleep.

On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 09:20:30 -0400, Vince
wrote:

La N wrote:
"Vince" wrote in message
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Fred J. McCall wrote:
"La N" wrote:

:
:"Vince" wrote in message
...
: Fred J. McCall wrote:
: "La N" wrote:
:
: :
: :"Vince" wrote in message :
...
: :
: : So in 1917 Britain had nothing to give
: :
:
: And yet oddly they wound up with it.
:
: Funny how that works, don't you think?
:
: [No, you don't, which is your problem.]
:
: :
: :Thank you. I'm going to read up more on this when I have the
time.
: :
:
: Just don't ask Vinnie's advice. He'll almost inevitably mess it up.
:
:
: It's the same as a car thief stealing on demand
:
: you sell what you don't own, so you go out and steal it
:
:
:But, Vince, why? oh, why?
:

Because Vinnie suffers from the Irish Disease - an over fondness for
drink and an unreasoning hatred of the English.

It's the same bull**** response his Bush Derangement Syndrome causes.
Only the target is different. Unreasoning reaction is easier than
thinking, particularly when drinking...

Note the lack of facts
When the facts get in Fred's way
He resorts to abuse

The record, the time line and Jack Straws comments speak for themselves


Time for you to put Fred in the plonker, Vince.



Oh Fred is amusing

He certainly belongs in the top 1% of Bush supporters in intelligence
and devotion to facts

"Poor Vinnie. Reality never gets in his way."

Fred McCall Sept. 20, 2007







Peter Skelton

Eugene Griessel wrote:
Vince wrote:

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Fred J. McCall wrote:
"La N" wrote:

: :"Vince" wrote in message
... : Fred
J. McCall wrote: : "La N"
wrote: : : : : :"Vince" wrote in
message :
... : :
Fred J. McCall wrote: : : "La N"
wrote: : : : : : : :
:"Vince" wrote in message : :
... : :
: : : : So in 1917 Britain had nothing to give : :
: : : : : And yet oddly they wound up with it. :
: : : Funny how that works, don't you think? : :
: : [No, you don't, which is your problem.] : : :
: : : : :Thank you. I'm going to read up more on
this when I have the : time. : : : : : : : Just
don't ask Vinnie's advice. He'll almost inevitably mess it
up. : : : : : : It's the same as a car thief
stealing on demand : : : : you sell what you don't own,
so you go out and steal it : : : : : :But, Vince,
why? oh, why? : : : : Because Vinnie suffers from the
Irish Disease - an over fondness for : drink and an
unreasoning hatred of the English. : : It's the same
bull**** response his Bush Derangement Syndrome causes. :
Only the target is different. Unreasoning reaction is easier
than : thinking, particularly when drinking... : : :
Note the lack of facts : When the facts get in Fred's way :
He resorts to abuse : :

Poor Vinnie. Reality never gets in his way.

Vinnie thinks his loathing for the English (and Bush) and his
unthinking reaction when talking about either aren't 'facts'
and that noticing them is 'abuse'.
Again a fine example of Bush logic Clearly at the 99th
percentile of Republican intelligence

Just keep reading the dates

: : : The record, the time line and Jack Straws comments
speak for themselves : :

And so does the historical record. Germany had bugger all to
do with "the Jews getting a Homeland", since such was
proposed LONG before.

My goodness what ignorance

Germany was involved in a war with England and its ally was the
Ottoman empire. England expected to take Palestine from
Germany's ally, in the same way France expected to get
territory directly from Germany etc. The promise was made to
thank the Zionists for their support of the English war effort
against the Germans
What would be the definitive book or site for this information,
Vince?


- nilita


For a quick cite

Britannica Concise Chaim Weizmann born Nov. 27, 1874, Motol, Pol.,
Russian Empire died Nov. 9, 1952, Reovot, Israel

Russian-born Israeli chemist and first president of Israel
(1949–52).

After studying in Germany and Switzerland, he earned a doctorate in
chemistry and patented several dyestuffs before moving to England
to teach in 1904. His 1912 discovery of a bacterium that could
convert carbohydrate to acetone proved of great value to the
British armaments industry in World War I (1914–18), and in return
the government aided his negotiations for the Balfour Declaration
(1917).


1916 - The secret Sykes-Picot Agreement was signed May 16 carving
up the Mideast between England and France. Weizmann had been
influential in the diplomacy leading to the agreement, insuring
that Palestine would be internationalized and later become the
Zionist state. Many British Jews opposed transferring national
allegiance from Great Britain to Palestine during wartime. Weizmann
therefore urged Great Britain to publicly support Palestine, and
his greatest achievement in the Zionist movement was the alliance
with the British government that culminated in the 1917 Balfour
Declaration.

http://history.sandiego.edu/GEN/ww1/weizmann.html


No Germany, no war, no cordite shortage no Zionist influence No
Balfour declaration

The Jews, mostly from Russia, had been moving into the area since the
1880's buying up land from largely absentee Turkish landlords and
this would have continued anyway. By the time of the annexation of
the area by the British the Jewish populace was already seriously on
the way to becoming a majority. Something which the Arabs were very
worried about - as are most people who are in danger of becoming
outnumbered by an immigrant population. It was the British who
imposed serious limits on further immigration and land purchase.

The December 1931 British census of the country showed that of the 1.04
million people, 84 percent were Arab and 16 percent were Jewish.

While Jews in 1922 owned 3 percent of the land of Palestine, the
additional land purchased by 1947 raised the total owned by the
immigrant Jews to 7 percent of the whole area of the country.

http://palestinecenter.org/palestine...shmandate.html

yes I know its a palestinain source but the figures are British

vince

"La N" wrote:

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: :
: :"Vince" wrote in message
: ...
: : Fred J. McCall wrote:
: : "La N" wrote:
: :
: : :
: : :"Vince" wrote in message :
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: : : Fred J. McCall wrote:
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: : : :"Vince" wrote in message : :
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: : : :
: : : : So in 1917 Britain had nothing to give
: : : :
: : :
: : : And yet oddly they wound up with it.
: : :
: : : Funny how that works, don't you think?
: : :
: : : [No, you don't, which is your problem.]
: : :
: : : :
: : : :Thank you. I'm going to read up more on this when I have the
: : time.
: : : :
: : :
: : : Just don't ask Vinnie's advice. He'll almost inevitably mess it up.
: : :
: : :
: : : It's the same as a car thief stealing on demand
: : :
: : : you sell what you don't own, so you go out and steal it
: : :
: : :
: : :But, Vince, why? oh, why?
: : :
: :
: : Because Vinnie suffers from the Irish Disease - an over fondness for
: : drink and an unreasoning hatred of the English.
: :
: : It's the same bull**** response his Bush Derangement Syndrome causes.
: : Only the target is different. Unreasoning reaction is easier than
: : thinking, particularly when drinking...
: :
: :
: : Note the lack of facts
: : When the facts get in Fred's way
: : He resorts to abuse
: :
: :
:
: Poor Vinnie. Reality never gets in his way.
:
: Vinnie thinks his loathing for the English (and Bush) and his
: unthinking reaction when talking about either aren't 'facts' and that
: noticing them is 'abuse'.
:
: Again a fine example of Bush logic
: Clearly at the 99th percentile of Republican intelligence
:
:

A fine example from the man who claims he never engages in 'personal
abuse'. This is the sort of lying hypocrisy that got you binned, Vin.

:
:
: Just keep reading the dates
:
:

Just put down the bottle and try engaging your brain.

:
:
:
: :
: :
: : The record, the time line and Jack Straws comments speak for
: themselves
: :
: :
:
: And so does the historical record. Germany had bugger all to do with
: "the Jews getting a Homeland", since such was proposed LONG before.
:
:
: My goodness what ignorance
:
: Germany was involved in a war with England and its ally was the Ottoman
: empire. England expected to take Palestine from Germany's ally, in the
: same way France expected to get territory directly from Germany etc.
: The promise was made to thank the Zionists for their support of the
: English war effort against the Germans
:
:

What insanity! Just how 'important' were the Zionists in that war
effort that they needed said reward AFTER THE WAR WAS OVER, Vinnie?

The 'Sick Man of Europe' and European plans to carve it up had bugger
all to do with Germany or WWI.

As you say, "My goodness what ignorance".

:
:What would be the definitive book or site for this information, Vince?
:

Try a history course, Nilita.

Failing that, there are lots of good books on the subject of the
Ottoman Empire that are easily found.


--
"Ordinarily he is insane. But he has lucid moments when he is
only stupid."
-- Heinrich Heine

Fred J. McCall wrote:
"La N" wrote:

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: "La N" wrote:
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: :
: :"Vince" wrote in message
: ...
: : Fred J. McCall wrote:
: : "La N" wrote:
: :
: : :
: : :"Vince" wrote in message :
: ...
: : : Fred J. McCall wrote:
: : : "La N" wrote:
: : :
: : : :
: : : :"Vince" wrote in message : :
: ...
: : : :
: : : : So in 1917 Britain had nothing to give
: : : :
: : :
: : : And yet oddly they wound up with it.
: : :
: : : Funny how that works, don't you think?
: : :
: : : [No, you don't, which is your problem.]
: : :
: : : :
: : : :Thank you. I'm going to read up more on this when I have the
: : time.
: : : :
: : :
: : : Just don't ask Vinnie's advice. He'll almost inevitably mess it up.
: : :
: : :
: : : It's the same as a car thief stealing on demand
: : :
: : : you sell what you don't own, so you go out and steal it
: : :
: : :
: : :But, Vince, why? oh, why?
: : :
: :
: : Because Vinnie suffers from the Irish Disease - an over fondness for
: : drink and an unreasoning hatred of the English.
: :
: : It's the same bull**** response his Bush Derangement Syndrome causes.
: : Only the target is different. Unreasoning reaction is easier than
: : thinking, particularly when drinking...
: :
: :
: : Note the lack of facts
: : When the facts get in Fred's way
: : He resorts to abuse
: :
: :
:
: Poor Vinnie. Reality never gets in his way.
:
: Vinnie thinks his loathing for the English (and Bush) and his
: unthinking reaction when talking about either aren't 'facts' and that
: noticing them is 'abuse'.
:
: Again a fine example of Bush logic
: Clearly at the 99th percentile of Republican intelligence
:
:

A fine example from the man who claims he never engages in 'personal
abuse'. This is the sort of lying hypocrisy that got you binned, Vin.

:
:
: Just keep reading the dates
:
:

Just put down the bottle and try engaging your brain.

:
:
:
: :
: :
: : The record, the time line and Jack Straws comments speak for
: themselves
: :
: :
:
: And so does the historical record. Germany had bugger all to do with
: "the Jews getting a Homeland", since such was proposed LONG before.
:
:
: My goodness what ignorance
:
: Germany was involved in a war with England and its ally was the Ottoman
: empire. England expected to take Palestine from Germany's ally, in the
: same way France expected to get territory directly from Germany etc.
: The promise was made to thank the Zionists for their support of the
: English war effort against the Germans
:
:

What insanity! Just how 'important' were the Zionists in that war
effort that they needed said reward AFTER THE WAR WAS OVER, Vinnie?

1917?

wow dates are a real problem for some


The 'Sick Man of Europe' and European plans to carve it up had bugger
all to do with Germany or WWI.


names and dates
When did England and decide to make the land grab?

Vince

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: Fred J. McCall wrote:
: "La N" wrote:
:
: :
: :"Vince" wrote in message :
...
: : Fred J. McCall wrote:
: : "La N" wrote:
: :
: : :
: : :"Vince" wrote in message : :
...
: : : Fred J. McCall wrote:
: : : "La N" wrote:
: : :
: : : :
: : : :"Vince" wrote in message : : :
...
: : : :
: : : : So in 1917 Britain had nothing to give
: : : :
: : :
: : : And yet oddly they wound up with it.
: : :
: : : Funny how that works, don't you think?
: : :
: : : [No, you don't, which is your problem.]
: : :
: : : :
: : : :Thank you. I'm going to read up more on this when I have
the : : time.
: : : :
: : :
: : : Just don't ask Vinnie's advice. He'll almost inevitably mess
it up.
: : :
: : :
: : : It's the same as a car thief stealing on demand
: : :
: : : you sell what you don't own, so you go out and steal it
: : :
: : :
: : :But, Vince, why? oh, why?
: : :
: :
: : Because Vinnie suffers from the Irish Disease - an over fondness
for
: : drink and an unreasoning hatred of the English.
: :
: : It's the same bull**** response his Bush Derangement Syndrome
causes.
: : Only the target is different. Unreasoning reaction is easier
than
: : thinking, particularly when drinking...
: :
: :
: : Note the lack of facts
: : When the facts get in Fred's way
: : He resorts to abuse
: :
: :
:
: Poor Vinnie. Reality never gets in his way.
:
: Vinnie thinks his loathing for the English (and Bush) and his
: unthinking reaction when talking about either aren't 'facts' and that
: noticing them is 'abuse'.
:
: Again a fine example of Bush logic
: Clearly at the 99th percentile of Republican intelligence
:
:

A fine example from the man who claims he never engages in 'personal
abuse'. This is the sort of lying hypocrisy that got you binned, Vin.

:
:
: Just keep reading the dates
:
:

Just put down the bottle and try engaging your brain.

:
:
:
: :
: :
: : The record, the time line and Jack Straws comments speak for :
themselves
: :
: :
:
: And so does the historical record. Germany had bugger all to do with
: "the Jews getting a Homeland", since such was proposed LONG before.
:
:
: My goodness what ignorance
:
: Germany was involved in a war with England and its ally was the
Ottoman : empire. England expected to take Palestine from Germany's
ally, in the : same way France expected to get territory directly from
Germany etc.
: The promise was made to thank the Zionists for their support of the :
English war effort against the Germans
:
:

What insanity! Just how 'important' were the Zionists in that war
effort that they needed said reward AFTER THE WAR WAS OVER, Vinnie?

1917?

wow dates are a real problem for some


The 'Sick Man of Europe' and European plans to carve it up had bugger
all to do with Germany or WWI.


names and dates
When did England and decide to make the land grab?


Is this an open book exam? ...

- nil

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: ...
: : Fred J. McCall wrote:
: : "La N" wrote:
: :
: : :
: : :"Vince" wrote in message :
: ...
: : : Fred J. McCall wrote:
: : : "La N" wrote:
: : :
: : : :
: : : :"Vince" wrote in message : :
: ...
: : : : Fred J. McCall wrote:
: : : : "La N" wrote:
: : : :
: : : : :
: : : : :"Vince" wrote in message : : :
: ...
: : : : :
: : : : : So in 1917 Britain had nothing to give
: : : : :
: : : :
: : : : And yet oddly they wound up with it.
: : : :
: : : : Funny how that works, don't you think?
: : : :
: : : : [No, you don't, which is your problem.]
: : : :
: : : : :
: : : : :Thank you. I'm going to read up more on this when I have
: the : : time.
: : : : :
: : : :
: : : : Just don't ask Vinnie's advice. He'll almost inevitably mess
: it up.
: : : :
: : : :
: : : : It's the same as a car thief stealing on demand
: : : :
: : : : you sell what you don't own, so you go out and steal it
: : : :
: : : :
: : : :But, Vince, why? oh, why?
: : : :
: : :
: : : Because Vinnie suffers from the Irish Disease - an over fondness
: for
: : : drink and an unreasoning hatred of the English.
: : :
: : : It's the same bull**** response his Bush Derangement Syndrome
: causes.
: : : Only the target is different. Unreasoning reaction is easier
: than
: : : thinking, particularly when drinking...
: : :
: : :
: : : Note the lack of facts
: : : When the facts get in Fred's way
: : : He resorts to abuse
: : :
: : :
: :
: : Poor Vinnie. Reality never gets in his way.
: :
: : Vinnie thinks his loathing for the English (and Bush) and his
: : unthinking reaction when talking about either aren't 'facts' and that
: : noticing them is 'abuse'.
: :
: : Again a fine example of Bush logic
: : Clearly at the 99th percentile of Republican intelligence
: :
: :
:
: A fine example from the man who claims he never engages in 'personal
: abuse'. This is the sort of lying hypocrisy that got you binned, Vin.
:
: :
: :
: : Just keep reading the dates
: :
: :
:
: Just put down the bottle and try engaging your brain.
:
: :
: :
: :
: : :
: : :
: : : The record, the time line and Jack Straws comments speak for :
: themselves
: : :
: : :
: :
: : And so does the historical record. Germany had bugger all to do with
: : "the Jews getting a Homeland", since such was proposed LONG before.
: :
: :
: : My goodness what ignorance
: :
: : Germany was involved in a war with England and its ally was the
: Ottoman : empire. England expected to take Palestine from Germany's
: ally, in the : same way France expected to get territory directly from
: Germany etc.
: : The promise was made to thank the Zionists for their support of the :
: English war effort against the Germans
: :
: :
:
: What insanity! Just how 'important' were the Zionists in that war
: effort that they needed said reward AFTER THE WAR WAS OVER, Vinnie?
:
: 1917?
:
: wow dates are a real problem for some
:
:
: The 'Sick Man of Europe' and European plans to carve it up had bugger
: all to do with Germany or WWI.
:
:
: names and dates
: When did England and decide to make the land grab?
:
:
:Is this an open book exam? ...
:

See 'history of Egypt' for when British interest in Ottoman territory
began.


--
"Ignorance is preferable to error, and he is less remote from the
truth who believes nothing than he who believes what is wrong."
-- Thomas Jefferson

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: :
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: : :"Vince" wrote in message :
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: : : Fred J. McCall wrote:
: : : "La N" wrote:
: : :
: : : :
: : : :"Vince" wrote in message : :
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: : : : Fred J. McCall wrote:
: : : : "La N" wrote:
: : : :
: : : : :
: : : : :"Vince" wrote in message : : :
: ...
: : : : :
: : : : : So in 1917 Britain had nothing to give
: : : : :
: : : :
: : : : And yet oddly they wound up with it.
: : : :
: : : : Funny how that works, don't you think?
: : : :
: : : : [No, you don't, which is your problem.]
: : : :
: : : : :
: : : : :Thank you. I'm going to read up more on this when I have
: the : : time.
: : : : :
: : : :
: : : : Just don't ask Vinnie's advice. He'll almost inevitably mess
: it up.
: : : :
: : : :
: : : : It's the same as a car thief stealing on demand
: : : :
: : : : you sell what you don't own, so you go out and steal it
: : : :
: : : :
: : : :But, Vince, why? oh, why?
: : : :
: : :
: : : Because Vinnie suffers from the Irish Disease - an over fondness
: for
: : : drink and an unreasoning hatred of the English.
: : :
: : : It's the same bull**** response his Bush Derangement Syndrome
: causes.
: : : Only the target is different. Unreasoning reaction is easier
: than
: : : thinking, particularly when drinking...
: : :
: : :
: : : Note the lack of facts
: : : When the facts get in Fred's way
: : : He resorts to abuse
: : :
: : :
: :
: : Poor Vinnie. Reality never gets in his way.
: :
: : Vinnie thinks his loathing for the English (and Bush) and his
: : unthinking reaction when talking about either aren't 'facts' and that
: : noticing them is 'abuse'.
: :
: : Again a fine example of Bush logic
: : Clearly at the 99th percentile of Republican intelligence
: :
: :
:
: A fine example from the man who claims he never engages in 'personal
: abuse'. This is the sort of lying hypocrisy that got you binned, Vin.
:
: :
: :
: : Just keep reading the dates
: :
: :
:
: Just put down the bottle and try engaging your brain.
:
: :
: :
: :
: : :
: : :
: : : The record, the time line and Jack Straws comments speak for :
: themselves
: : :
: : :
: :
: : And so does the historical record. Germany had bugger all to do with
: : "the Jews getting a Homeland", since such was proposed LONG before.
: :
: :
: : My goodness what ignorance
: :
: : Germany was involved in a war with England and its ally was the
: Ottoman : empire. England expected to take Palestine from Germany's
: ally, in the : same way France expected to get territory directly from
: Germany etc.
: : The promise was made to thank the Zionists for their support of the :
: English war effort against the Germans
: :
: :
:
: What insanity! Just how 'important' were the Zionists in that war
: effort that they needed said reward AFTER THE WAR WAS OVER, Vinnie?
:
: 1917?
:
: wow dates are a real problem for some
:
:
: The 'Sick Man of Europe' and European plans to carve it up had bugger
: all to do with Germany or WWI.
:
:
: names and dates
: When did England and decide to make the land grab?
:
:
:Is this an open book exam? ...
:

See 'history of Egypt' for when British interest in Ottoman territory
began.



What a hoot

Egypt was under a non Ottoman dynasty since 1807


Rise to power
Muhammad Ali Pasha
Muhammad Ali Pasha

The process of Muhammad Ali's seizure of power was a long three way
civil war between the Ottoman Turks, Egyptian Mamluks, and Albanian
mercenaries. It lasted from 1803 to 1807 with the Albanian Ali taking
control of Egypt in 1805, when the Ottoman Sultan acknowledged his
position. Thereafter, Muhammad Ali was undisputed master of Egypt, and
his efforts henceforth were directed primarily to the maintenance of his
practical independence.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egypt_u...his_successors

Vince

"Vince" wrote in message
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Fred J. McCall wrote:
"La N" wrote:

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:"Vince" wrote in message
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: Fred J. McCall wrote:
: "La N" wrote:
:
: :
: :"Vince" wrote in message :
...
: : Fred J. McCall wrote:
: : "La N" wrote:
: :
: : :
: : :"Vince" wrote in message : :
...
: : : Fred J. McCall wrote:
: : : "La N" wrote:
: : :
: : : :
: : : :"Vince" wrote in message : : :
...
: : : : Fred J. McCall wrote:
: : : : "La N" wrote:
: : : :
: : : : :
: : : : :"Vince" wrote in message : :
: : ...
: : : : :
: : : : : So in 1917 Britain had nothing to give
: : : : :
: : : :
: : : : And yet oddly they wound up with it.
: : : :
: : : : Funny how that works, don't you think?
: : : :
: : : : [No, you don't, which is your problem.]
: : : :
: : : : :
: : : : :Thank you. I'm going to read up more on this when I
have : the : : time.
: : : : :
: : : :
: : : : Just don't ask Vinnie's advice. He'll almost inevitably
mess : it up.
: : : :
: : : :
: : : : It's the same as a car thief stealing on demand
: : : :
: : : : you sell what you don't own, so you go out and steal it
: : : :
: : : :
: : : :But, Vince, why? oh, why?
: : : :
: : :
: : : Because Vinnie suffers from the Irish Disease - an over
fondness : for
: : : drink and an unreasoning hatred of the English.
: : :
: : : It's the same bull**** response his Bush Derangement Syndrome
: causes.
: : : Only the target is different. Unreasoning reaction is easier
: than
: : : thinking, particularly when drinking...
: : :
: : :
: : : Note the lack of facts
: : : When the facts get in Fred's way
: : : He resorts to abuse
: : :
: : :
: :
: : Poor Vinnie. Reality never gets in his way.
: :
: : Vinnie thinks his loathing for the English (and Bush) and his
: : unthinking reaction when talking about either aren't 'facts' and
that
: : noticing them is 'abuse'.
: :
: : Again a fine example of Bush logic
: : Clearly at the 99th percentile of Republican intelligence
: :
: :
:
: A fine example from the man who claims he never engages in 'personal
: abuse'. This is the sort of lying hypocrisy that got you binned,
Vin.
:
: :
: :
: : Just keep reading the dates
: :
: :
:
: Just put down the bottle and try engaging your brain.
:
: :
: :
: :
: : :
: : :
: : : The record, the time line and Jack Straws comments speak for
: : themselves
: : :
: : :
: :
: : And so does the historical record. Germany had bugger all to do
with
: : "the Jews getting a Homeland", since such was proposed LONG
before.
: :
: :
: : My goodness what ignorance
: :
: : Germany was involved in a war with England and its ally was the
: Ottoman : empire. England expected to take Palestine from Germany's
: ally, in the : same way France expected to get territory directly
from : Germany etc.
: : The promise was made to thank the Zionists for their support of
the : : English war effort against the Germans
: :
: :
:
: What insanity! Just how 'important' were the Zionists in that war
: effort that they needed said reward AFTER THE WAR WAS OVER, Vinnie?
:
: 1917?
:
: wow dates are a real problem for some
:
:
: The 'Sick Man of Europe' and European plans to carve it up had bugger
: all to do with Germany or WWI.
:
:
: names and dates
: When did England and decide to make the land grab?
:
:
:Is this an open book exam? ...
:

See 'history of Egypt' for when British interest in Ottoman territory
began.



What a hoot

Egypt was under a non Ottoman dynasty since 1807


Rise to power
Muhammad Ali Pasha
Muhammad Ali Pasha

The process of Muhammad Ali's seizure of power was a long three way civil
war between the Ottoman Turks, Egyptian Mamluks, and Albanian mercenaries.
It lasted from 1803 to 1807 with the Albanian Ali taking control of Egypt
in 1805, when the Ottoman Sultan acknowledged his position. Thereafter,
Muhammad Ali was undisputed master of Egypt, and his efforts henceforth
were directed primarily to the maintenance of his practical independence.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egypt_u...his_successors

Vince

From http://www.presidency.gov.eg/html/history.html

After the departure of the French expedition, Mohamad Ali, who was an
officer in the Ottoman Army, rose to power with the support of the Egyptian
people. His rule extending from 1805 to 1849 was an eventful period in
Egypt's modern history. He is regarded as the father of modern Egypt who
set the country on the march towards modernization.

In 1863, Khedive Ismail, a member of Mohamad Ali's dynasty, rose to power.
If Mohamad Ali had started the process of modernization, it was Ismail who
completed it. He had boundless ambitions to bring Egypt up to the same level
of culture, civilization and development which was enjoyed by most nations
of Europe. It was during his reign, in 1869, that the Suez Canal was
inaugurated.

Towards the end of the 19th Century, and exactly on August 12th 1882,
British troops landed at Alexandria marking the beginning of British
occupation which lasted for 74 years. The beginning of the 20th century
witnessed the awakening of the national conscience aiming at ending the
British occupation. Mustafa Kamel, Sa'ad Zaghloul, Mustafa El Nahas and many
others were prominent figures who strove to achieve two national objectives;
independence and constitutional reform.

On the 28th of February 1922, Britain unilaterally declared the termination
of the British Protectorate and declared Egypt an independent state. In
1923, the first Constitution was promulgated and Sa'ad Zaghloul formed the
first representative government of Egypt.

"La N" wrote:

:
:"Vince" wrote in message
...
: Fred J. McCall wrote:
: "La N" wrote:
:
: :
: :"Vince" wrote in message
: ...
: : Fred J. McCall wrote:
: : "La N" wrote:
: :
: : :
: : :"Vince" wrote in message :
: ...
: : : Fred J. McCall wrote:
: : : "La N" wrote:
: : :
: : : :
: : : :"Vince" wrote in message : :
: ...
: : : : Fred J. McCall wrote:
: : : : "La N" wrote:
: : : :
: : : : :
: : : : :"Vince" wrote in message : : :
: ...
: : : : : Fred J. McCall wrote:
: : : : : "La N" wrote:
: : : : :
: : : : : :
: : : : : :"Vince" wrote in message : :
: : : ...
: : : : : :
: : : : : : So in 1917 Britain had nothing to give
: : : : : :
: : : : :
: : : : : And yet oddly they wound up with it.
: : : : :
: : : : : Funny how that works, don't you think?
: : : : :
: : : : : [No, you don't, which is your problem.]
: : : : :
: : : : : :
: : : : : :Thank you. I'm going to read up more on this when I
: have : the : : time.
: : : : : :
: : : : :
: : : : : Just don't ask Vinnie's advice. He'll almost inevitably
: mess : it up.
: : : : :
: : : : :
: : : : : It's the same as a car thief stealing on demand
: : : : :
: : : : : you sell what you don't own, so you go out and steal it
: : : : :
: : : : :
: : : : :But, Vince, why? oh, why?
: : : : :
: : : :
: : : : Because Vinnie suffers from the Irish Disease - an over
: fondness : for
: : : : drink and an unreasoning hatred of the English.
: : : :
: : : : It's the same bull**** response his Bush Derangement Syndrome
: : causes.
: : : : Only the target is different. Unreasoning reaction is easier
: : than
: : : : thinking, particularly when drinking...
: : : :
: : : :
: : : : Note the lack of facts
: : : : When the facts get in Fred's way
: : : : He resorts to abuse
: : : :
: : : :
: : :
: : : Poor Vinnie. Reality never gets in his way.
: : :
: : : Vinnie thinks his loathing for the English (and Bush) and his
: : : unthinking reaction when talking about either aren't 'facts' and
: that
: : : noticing them is 'abuse'.
: : :
: : : Again a fine example of Bush logic
: : : Clearly at the 99th percentile of Republican intelligence
: : :
: : :
: :
: : A fine example from the man who claims he never engages in 'personal
: : abuse'. This is the sort of lying hypocrisy that got you binned,
: Vin.
: :
: : :
: : :
: : : Just keep reading the dates
: : :
: : :
: :
: : Just put down the bottle and try engaging your brain.
: :
: : :
: : :
: : :
: : : :
: : : :
: : : : The record, the time line and Jack Straws comments speak for
: : : themselves
: : : :
: : : :
: : :
: : : And so does the historical record. Germany had bugger all to do
: with
: : : "the Jews getting a Homeland", since such was proposed LONG
: before.
: : :
: : :
: : : My goodness what ignorance
: : :
: : : Germany was involved in a war with England and its ally was the
: : Ottoman : empire. England expected to take Palestine from Germany's
: : ally, in the : same way France expected to get territory directly
: from : Germany etc.
: : : The promise was made to thank the Zionists for their support of
: the : : English war effort against the Germans
: : :
: : :
: :
: : What insanity! Just how 'important' were the Zionists in that war
: : effort that they needed said reward AFTER THE WAR WAS OVER, Vinnie?
: :
: : 1917?
: :
: : wow dates are a real problem for some
: :
: :
: : The 'Sick Man of Europe' and European plans to carve it up had bugger
: : all to do with Germany or WWI.
: :
: :
: : names and dates
: : When did England and decide to make the land grab?
: :
: :
: :Is this an open book exam? ...
: :
:
: See 'history of Egypt' for when British interest in Ottoman territory
: began.
:
:
:
: What a hoot
:
: Egypt was under a non Ottoman dynasty since 1807
:
:
: Rise to power
: Muhammad Ali Pasha
: Muhammad Ali Pasha
:
: The process of Muhammad Ali's seizure of power was a long three way civil
: war between the Ottoman Turks, Egyptian Mamluks, and Albanian mercenaries.
: It lasted from 1803 to 1807 with the Albanian Ali taking control of Egypt
: in 1805, when the Ottoman Sultan acknowledged his position. Thereafter,
: Muhammad Ali was undisputed master of Egypt, and his efforts henceforth
: were directed primarily to the maintenance of his practical independence.
:
: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egypt_u...his_successors
:

Poor Vinnie. He failed to understand the last two words of his cite -
"practical independence", as different from "actual independence".
That means it was politically still part of the Ottoman Empire, said
Empire and everyone else having not recognized its political
independence.

:
:From http://www.presidency.gov.eg/html/history.html
:
:After the departure of the French expedition, Mohamad Ali, who was an
fficer in the Ottoman Army, rose to power with the support of the Egyptian
eople. His rule extending from 1805 to 1849 was an eventful period in
:Egypt's modern history. He is regarded as the father of modern Egypt who
:set the country on the march towards modernization.
:
:In 1863, Khedive Ismail, a member of Mohamad Ali's dynasty, rose to power.
:If Mohamad Ali had started the process of modernization, it was Ismail who
:completed it. He had boundless ambitions to bring Egypt up to the same level
f culture, civilization and development which was enjoyed by most nations
f Europe. It was during his reign, in 1869, that the Suez Canal was
:inaugurated.
:
:Towards the end of the 19th Century, and exactly on August 12th 1882,
:British troops landed at Alexandria marking the beginning of British
ccupation which lasted for 74 years. The beginning of the 20th century
:witnessed the awakening of the national conscience aiming at ending the
:British occupation. Mustafa Kamel, Sa'ad Zaghloul, Mustafa El Nahas and many
thers were prominent figures who strove to achieve two national objectives;
:independence and constitutional reform.
:
:On the 28th of February 1922, Britain unilaterally declared the termination
f the British Protectorate and declared Egypt an independent state. In
:1923, the first Constitution was promulgated and Sa'ad Zaghloul formed the
:first representative government of Egypt.
:

Note the phrasing "British Protectorate". Just who were they
'protecting' it from?


--
"Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar
territory."
--G. Behn