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A Laser Phalanx?
La N wrote:
"Dan" wrote in message ... wrote: snip Since the lasers used today assume you know something about digital computers and Turing machines, rather than military morons. Translation please? Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired Dan ... Dan .... Dan .... you're still out of the loop! Always the one who arrives late to the dance! zzbunker is a *bot*, not a very well tuned bot, but a bot nonetheless. I wish, btw, its programmer would fix its spellchecker. - nilita Ach so. Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired |
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A Laser Phalanx?
On Sep 15, 6:17?am, Vince wrote:
wrote: Lasers weren't developed with any particular purpose in mind, let alone a military one, but the people who developed them mainly saw a use for them in experimental physics for use in spectroscopy and interferometry. Cheers, Ralph- Hide quoted text - Yes they were. Siemens and I.G.Farben worked on medical lasers and beam weaponry during World War II, for those specific purposes. source on lasers in germany in WWII? Vince Interrogation Report of Karl Schnettler 6824 DTC (MIS)M.1075 dated 13 Mar 45 discussing activities at I.G. Farben, Ludwigschafen and Kaiser Wilhelm Institute. All documentation taken from US Government microfilm under FOIA Section C: Experiments PW could add little to the information in Report 2/32. Experiment with Rats In the experiment of Apr 44 (See Report 2/32), PW stated that, when the rats were bombarded by the rays, a phosphorescent glow was observed over their bodies, lasting about a fifth of a second. PW believed that the rats were reduced to a gaseous sodium (?) which had been drawn into the vacuum system of the test stand. 6824 DTC (MIS)M.1075 Appendix "A" ATOM-SMASHING LABORATORY I.G. FARBEN/Ludwigschafen (diagram displayed) LEGEND 1. Recess for Electronic Tubes 2. Quartz shield 3. Focusing Area 4. Power Contact 5. POLYDRON (Y) 6. Power Cable 7. Target Stand 8. Observation and Control Station 9. Power station 10. Switch Station 11. Transformer Station This aligns with microfilm evidence of laser testing at I.G. Farben prersented by German researcher Fredrich Georg in his books. Engineers that participated in these experiments mentioned in Allied reports were Dipl-Ing Meissner, Ike, and also statements by their advisor Eringer. Meissner also worked on the German Magnetic Wave device (Motorstoppmittel). Project 1217, "Investigation Into German Possible Use Of Rays To Neutralize Allied Aircraft Motors". This weapon was constructed by the ELEMAG Construction Company, Hildesheim, 24 Jan 44 Further testimony comes from U-boat 977 Capt. Heinz Schaeffer of a beam weapon demonstration in Berlin just before he departed and ended- up surrendering at Mar del Plata in Argentina - all information from Henry Stevens "Hitler's Suppressed and Still- Secret Weapons, Science, and Technology" (2007) filled with declassified information ZXY |
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A Laser Phalanx?
wrote in message ups.com... In the experiment of Apr 44 (See Report 2/32), PW stated that, when the rats were bombarded by the rays, a phosphorescent glow was observed over their bodies, lasting about a fifth of a second. PW believed that the rats were reduced to a gaseous sodium (?) which had been drawn into the vacuum system of the test stand. Mad as a badger. - all information from Henry Stevens "Hitler's Suppressed and Still- Secret Weapons, Science, and Technology" (2007) filled with declassified information Also the author of the astounding 'Hitler's Flying Saucers'. -- William Black I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach Time for tea. |
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A Laser Phalanx?
On Sep 15, 1:29 pm, wrote:
Lasers weren't developed with any particular purpose in mind, let alone a military one, but the people who developed them mainly saw a use for them in experimental physics for use in spectroscopy and interferometry. Cheers, Ralph- Hide quoted text - Yes they were. Siemens and I.G.Farben worked on medical lasers and beam weaponry during World War II, for those specific purposes. The Germans also investigated X-ray and Gamma ray weapons under Dr. Scheibold for use against bomber aircraft but could only attain a height of 15,000 ft with one test gun. It featured a large surface anode. A dose of 7 rads per second at a distance of 5 km with a time on target of 30 seconds, which was achievable with this weapon, was considered adequate to inflict irreversible biological harm to the crew of the aircraft. Due to time on target problems and a "scattering effect" on the aircraft metal skin, the weapon was not adopted for production. ~ Henry Stevens, "Hitler's Suppressed and Still-Secret Weapons, Science, and Technololgy. Restricted Report dated July 19,1944: "Concerning the possibility of biological effects of short wave x- rays, respectively, gamma rays from x-ray tubes of special construction at great distance" (translated from German to English postwar). It was addressed to the research effort of the Reich Ministry of Aeronautics, directed to Dr. Georgil at Research Installation Gross Ostheim. Three prototype guns were built but only one worked properly. Yet talk of Star Wars SDI X-Ray weapons during the Reagan Administration and other beam developments today are not "new" at all. The miracle modern weapons from the 1980s to the 2010 timeframe are only classified German types that have come to maturity with advances in materials and military design over 60 years ZXY. My word, this thread really does draw out the nutters, doesn't it? Is that you, Robert Arndt under a new name? Alright, even supposing that all of what you write is true (and that is a big if) the people who developed lasers in the US, and who are recognised as the inventors of the things didn't have military applications in mind. Cheers, Ralph |
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A Laser Phalanx?
On Sep 15, 11:16?am, "William Black"
wrote: wrote in message ups.com... In the experiment of Apr 44 (See Report 2/32), PW stated that, when the rats were bombarded by the rays, a phosphorescent glow was observed over their bodies, lasting about a fifth of a second. PW believed that the rats were reduced to a gaseous sodium (?) which had been drawn into the vacuum system of the test stand. Mad as a badger. - all information from Henry Stevens "Hitler's Suppressed and Still- Secret Weapons, Science, and Technology" (2007) filled with declassified information Also the author of the astounding 'Hitler's Flying Saucers'. -- William Black I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach Time for tea. So you do not accept US Government declassified intel documents even when they are presented to you? As for PW's statements on the rats, the (?) refers to a total lack of understanding of how such a weapon could function and what the disintegration result was. This was 1945 and neither the PW nor the interrogators knew the technologies involved with any of these type weapons. Imagine yourself seeing an alien beam weapon in action and then interrogated. How would your testimony differ from PW and what conclusions would interrogators come to? Also, ELEMAG's documents on construction of Magnetic Wave weapon are all reproduced in the book along with as many declassified documents as Stevens could get under FOIA using US terminology of German weapons which had eluded researchers who tried in vain for six decades to use the correct German terminology. Now that the US Govt. trick for hiding these weapons is known, many new types of German weapons have surfaced. For aviation content, the enigmatic Zippermayer Pfeil arrow-wing aircraft is finally depicted in that book along with its status in May 1945 at Lofer (hidden in the Hagen carpenter shop, 3/4s completed). It was secretly taken back to the US and completed. Dropped from a B-29 with US markings, its potential supersonic wing was evaluated in 1947 after wind tunnel testing. There are also depictions of US Army troops testing out Zippermayer's model catapults for the aircraft in 1945. This was a wooden glider with a two-man cockpit that placed an arrow- wing directly behind and above the fuselage the whole way back to the tail. The improved wooden test version would have had a Porsche 109-005 jet engine of 1,300 lb thrust while the production metal version would have had another Porsche turbojet of approx. 2,500 lb st. All very fascinating, but disposition of the aircraft after testing is not known (rest of US files suspiciously missing). ZXY |
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A Laser Phalanx?
On Sep 15, 11:23?am, Ralph_S wrote:
On Sep 15, 1:29 pm, wrote: Lasers weren't developed with any particular purpose in mind, let alone a military one, but the people who developed them mainly saw a use for them in experimental physics for use in spectroscopy and interferometry. Cheers, Ralph- Hide quoted text - Yes they were. Siemens and I.G.Farben worked on medical lasers and beam weaponry during World War II, for those specific purposes. The Germans also investigated X-ray and Gamma ray weapons under Dr. Scheibold for use against bomber aircraft but could only attain a height of 15,000 ft with one test gun. It featured a large surface anode. A dose of 7 rads per second at a distance of 5 km with a time on target of 30 seconds, which was achievable with this weapon, was considered adequate to inflict irreversible biological harm to the crew of the aircraft. Due to time on target problems and a "scattering effect" on the aircraft metal skin, the weapon was not adopted for production. ~ Henry Stevens, "Hitler's Suppressed and Still-Secret Weapons, Science, and Technololgy. Restricted Report dated July 19,1944: "Concerning the possibility of biological effects of short wave x- rays, respectively, gamma rays from x-ray tubes of special construction at great distance" (translated from German to English postwar). It was addressed to the research effort of the Reich Ministry of Aeronautics, directed to Dr. Georgil at Research Installation Gross Ostheim. Three prototype guns were built but only one worked properly. Yet talk of Star Wars SDI X-Ray weapons during the Reagan Administration and other beam developments today are not "new" at all. The miracle modern weapons from the 1980s to the 2010 timeframe are only classified German types that have come to maturity with advances in materials and military design over 60 years ZXY. My word, this thread really does draw out the nutters, doesn't it? Is that you, Robert Arndt under a new name? Alright, even supposing that all of what you write is true (and that is a big if) the people who developed lasers in the US, and who are recognised as the inventors of the things didn't have military applications in mind. Cheers, Ralph- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Certainly no one disputes you there. Germans did not invent L.A.S.E.R. but used the word "Strahl" instead during the war for directed energy types. ZXY |
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A Laser Phalanx?
On Sep 15, 12:27 pm, Dan wrote:
La N wrote: "Dan" wrote in message ... wrote: snip Since the lasers used today assume you know something about digital computers and Turing machines, rather than military morons. Translation please? Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired Dan ... Dan .... Dan .... you're still out of the loop! Always the one who arrives late to the dance! zzbunker is a *bot*, not a very well tuned bot, but a bot nonetheless. I wish, btw, its programmer would fix its spellchecker. - nilita Ach so. Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired- Hide quoted text - Well, it's obvious the reason you're retired is because the only people who use spell checkers are The Air Force, and NASA. Since as is well known, most of them are global warming El Nino idiots, rather than cruise missile types. - Show quoted text - |
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A Laser Phalanx?
wrote in message ups.com... On Sep 15, 11:16?am, "William Black" So you do not accept US Government declassified intel documents even when they are presented to you? Oh yes. Point me to a URL. -- William Black I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach Time for tea. |
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A Laser Phalanx?
On Sep 15, 1:49?pm, "William Black"
wrote: wrote in message ups.com... On Sep 15, 11:16?am, "William Black" So you do not accept US Government declassified intel documents even when they are presented to you? Oh yes. Point me to a URL. -- William Black I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach Time for tea. Are you stupid or something? I gave you the entire report number. Go through FOIA procedures like Stevens did or buy his book with the intel copies from the microfilm printed in the book. ZXY |
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A Laser Phalanx?
wrote in message ps.com... On Sep 15, 1:49?pm, "William Black" wrote: wrote in message ups.com... On Sep 15, 11:16?am, "William Black" So you do not accept US Government declassified intel documents even when they are presented to you? Oh yes. Point me to a URL. Are you stupid or something? So that's a 'no' then... Look, have you any idea just how significant and important all this stuff is? Nobel prizes were dished out and vast sums of money spent on the fundamental research that you and your mate claim was all done in about ten minutes, by some Nazis in tucked away in a back room somewhere, between designing the VI and building a flying saucer. Next loon please... -- William Black I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach Time for tea. |
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