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Urban Fredriksson
Suitable targets included embarkation ports, massed troop concentrations, depots and bridges. To stop and break up an expected 8 or 9 Soviet divisions marching through Finland, 50 bombs were calculated to be necessary. Depending on where on Swedish territory the weapons were to be used, between 900 and 35 000 civilian casualities were estimated for each explosion. On _Swedish_ territory? A reason why Finland wasn't entirely happy g with the Swedish nuclear weapon plans was that at it was seen that the weapons would have been targeted for Finnish territory. Perhaps somewhat like the conserns in West Germany about the French tac nukes located in France which didn't have the range to overfly West Germany. I have difficulty in understanding what the Swedish nuclear doctrine would have looked liked. Surely the Soviets would have responded going nuclear too? Sweden with a limited nuber of tac nukes wouldn't have had that much of a deterrance (in cold war terms) against an escalation to a strategic exchange? Moreover 50 tac nukes needed to stop a mere 8 or 9 Soviet divisions? Huh? Heck, the Finnish army would have had them for breakfst, using conventional weapons, just like it did a few decades earlier g. Uhm, well... Btw, about the A 36 thread, 'A' stands for attack, and it's obviously an attack plane rather than a bomber. |
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robert arndt wrote: I've been told by a few people it actually is a fire demon/god from Norse mythology... Yes. Surte (Saron) is the ruler of Muspelheim (Mordor), but it is much more fun to name an A-bomb after a small place that used to be full of flaming hot furnaces used in glass production. :-/ -- Göran Larsson http://www.mitt-eget.com/ |
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robert arndt wrote: Swedish fighters tend to all have mythological names: Drakon (Dragon), Viggen (Thunderbolt), and Gripen (Griffin). OK, lances occur in mythology, but has there ever been a hero who used a flying barrel? Also note that drake = kite (take a look at the planform and keep in mind this wasn't an official name in the time frame you're thinking of). I suppose Surte (Fire Demon) I think you have to make up your mind if it's Surt or Surte. is appropriate for a Swedish nuke but I wonder what name the A36 would have recieved itself. "Flygplan typ 36". -- Urban Fredriksson http://www.canit.se/%7Egriffon/ Good/bad and right/wrong are orthogonal. |
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robert arndt wrote: BTW, is the furnace story where they actually came up with the name? I have no idea. I didn't even know the bomb had been given a name and the connection with the furnaces in Surte was just my first thought. -- Göran Larsson http://www.mitt-eget.com/ |
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robert arndt wrote: "Flygplan typ 36". Besides the obvious. I'm totally serious. The air force never planned on giving the J 35 a name. And there was a possibility the 37 could have been called "Falken" or something, so there's no reason to assume any kind of theme to the name(s) either, then. SK 60 still has no name. -- Urban Fredriksson http://www.canit.se/%7Egriffon/ A king and an elephant were sitting in a bathtub. The king said, "pass the soap" and the elephant said, "No soap, radio!" |
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M *@*.* wrote:
Moreover 50 tac nukes needed to stop a mere 8 or 9 Soviet divisions? Huh? Heck, the Finnish army would have had them for breakfst, using conventional weapons, just like it did a few decades earlier g. Uhm, well... From late 40's to the late 60's it would have been other way around. Army had not had practically any new equipment since the end of the war, and for the Air Force and Navy was about as bad. For behalf of the Swedes, tactical nukes were the buzzword of the 50's and early 60's, much like "information warfare" or "transformation of warfare " are today. It was expected that they would be used from day one onwards. Every country, even Finland, hurrily modified their fighting doctrines and organizations in order to meet this new threat. Those small countries which had resources, like Sweden and Switzerland, were trying to develop their own weapons. This reorganization of armed forces was probably taken into extreme by Americans in the early 60's, and later by the French in late 60's. Aviation content of this post is that most of the strike aircraft of period were principally meant for nuclear weapons delivery. Motto: "There is no such thing as mystical radiation sickness" (quoted from memory) "Atomic Weapons in Land Combat" (1952) terveisin, jukka raustia -- "Päinvastoin, olisi nähtävä, että Suomen turvallisuus _kaikissa tilanteissa_ nojautuu olennaisesti siihen, että tarpeen vaatiessa Suomi voi tukeutua Neuvostoliiton apuun koskemattomuutensa säilyttämiseksi." -s. 57, Kaksiteräinen miekka - 70-luvun puolustuspolitiikkaa" Jaakko Blomberg, Pentti Joenniemi, Helsinki 1971. |
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