Interesting observatoin about the ADIZ-busting C150

Fire up AOPA flight planner or any other flight planning software and
plot a direct route, S37-LBT.

The result reinforces my earlier speculation that someone at S37 just
did "direct-to LBT" on a handheld (probably non-aviation) GPS and was
simply flying that line.

If so, dumb. Actually I can't think of any explanation for this that
doesn't conclude: dumb.

They didn't have a GPS in the aircraft, indicative of single-digit IQ's.

These two schmucks ought to be hung by their gonads and left to dry in the
wind.

"xyzzy" wrote in message
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Fire up AOPA flight planner or any other flight planning software and plot
a direct route, S37-LBT.

The result reinforces my earlier speculation that someone at S37 just did
"direct-to LBT" on a handheld (probably non-aviation) GPS and was simply
flying that line.

If so, dumb. Actually I can't think of any explanation for this that
doesn't conclude: dumb.

Well, the pilot's wife said that her husband and talked the night
before about having to maneuver around some airspace, it doesn't sound
like he intended to do a direct. I think he just thought he was
somewhere else.

But you know, all you have to do is keep the entirety of the Cheseapeake Bay
on your right. That's about as prominent a landmark as you can ask for.

There's a bay, an airway, enough information about it to choke a T1.
Dummies!!

You really have to be guilty of 2 things to screw this one up. 1) getting
lost, 2) not taking the entire ADIZ thing around the capitol seriously. The
Notam alone is know to but the fear of the FAA in you. Of course you have
to read it.

Nothing like handcuffs and a few G-men to get your attention.

Stupid, Stupid, Stupid

"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
ups.com...
Well, the pilot's wife said that her husband and talked the night
before about having to maneuver around some airspace, it doesn't sound
like he intended to do a direct. I think he just thought he was
somewhere else.

They didn't have a GPS in the aircraft, indicative of single-digit IQ's.


I've been flying for well over 30yrs a maybe have flown with a GPS in the
airplane about 6 times..

It does not take GPS to stay out of restricted airspace.. it takes
pilotage.. and a lot more than single digit IQ.

Perhaps you are a single digit IQ type individual because you think you
can't fly without a GPS.

BT

In article nSahe.32255$fI.370@fed1read05,
"BTIZ" wrote:
They didn't have a GPS in the aircraft, indicative of single-digit IQ's.


I've been flying for well over 30yrs a maybe have flown with a GPS in the
airplane about 6 times..

It does not take GPS to stay out of restricted airspace.. it takes
pilotage.. and a lot more than single digit IQ.


You're right, it doesn't. But in today's world, GPS technology is
available and affordable, and when you're weaving your way around
sensitive airspace, it's a very, very good idea to use all available
technology to your benefit--regardless of how good your pilotage skills
may be.



JKG

On 5/13/05 20:27, "Jonathan Goodish" wrote:

In article nSahe.32255$fI.370@fed1read05,
"BTIZ" wrote:
They didn't have a GPS in the aircraft, indicative of single-digit IQ's.


I've been flying for well over 30yrs a maybe have flown with a GPS in the
airplane about 6 times..

It does not take GPS to stay out of restricted airspace.. it takes
pilotage.. and a lot more than single digit IQ.


You're right, it doesn't. But in today's world, GPS technology is
available and affordable, and when you're weaving your way around
sensitive airspace, it's a very, very good idea to use all available
technology to your benefit--regardless of how good your pilotage skills
may be.



JKG

Speaking of technology, what about "flight following"?

- Don
All that is complex is not useful. All that is useful is simple.
- Mikhail Kalashnikov

On Sat, 14 May 2005 09:00:17 -0500, No Spam wrote:

Speaking of technology, what about "flight following"?

Only if ATC can handle the traffic.

Otherwise, from what I understand, you cannot enter the ADIZ unless you are
squawking and talking.

I have heard of planes having to circle for a significant amount of time
waiting for the squawk code on a "pop up" basis.

Allen

In article ,
A Lieberman wrote:

On Sat, 14 May 2005 09:00:17 -0500, No Spam wrote:

Speaking of technology, what about "flight following"?

Only if ATC can handle the traffic.

Otherwise, from what I understand, you cannot enter the ADIZ unless you are
squawking and talking.


I think the point about flight following is that the pilots in question
likely would have been alerted to the fact that they were going to bust
it before they busted it. They didn't need to go through it, just
around it.

Since it apparently took them a while to tune in to 121.50 after the
intercept, I doubt they were talking or listening to anything useful on
the radio.


JKG

On Sat, 14 May 2005 13:53:54 -0400, Jonathan Goodish wrote:

In article ,
A Lieberman wrote:

On Sat, 14 May 2005 09:00:17 -0500, No Spam wrote:

Speaking of technology, what about "flight following"?

Only if ATC can handle the traffic.

Otherwise, from what I understand, you cannot enter the ADIZ unless you are
squawking and talking.


I think the point about flight following is that the pilots in question
likely would have been alerted to the fact that they were going to bust
it before they busted it. They didn't need to go through it, just
around it.

Jonathon

If they were squawking and talking (I.E flight following), then there is
nothing to "bust".

Not unless you have something different in mind when you refer to flight
following?

Allen