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JH Why the hell were they there?
Ah, finally we see an example of "conservative compassion." ??? Let's see, Jim Cantori (Sp?) on the Weather Channel told 'em... Their State Governments told 'em.... CNN told 'em... Fox News told 'em... How many people have to tell these dumb asses to GET THE HELL OUT OF DODGE when there is a Level 5 hurricane bearing down on them, before they actually listen? They're there because they're there. No fricking place is safe, Jay. Next time some huge blizzard shuts down the mid-west for days or weeks I'll remember your answer. Next time a tornado rips through I'll ask, "why the hell were you living there?" Blizzards are fairly commonplace here, and no reason to fear. If anything, they're kinda fun. Unfortunately, tornados are tiny, and cannot be forecast with any degree of accuracy. They're like meteorites -- highly destructive, and totally unpredictable. Bottom line: If I could sit here in Iowa, watching on TV as this big ol' bag of Katrina whoop-ass bore inexorably down on the Gulf Coast, why couldn't the people who actually LIVE THERE do the same thing? I would have been in my plane/van/car/whatever, aimed north... -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" |
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It was one heck of a show of the power of THE OCEAN though wasn't it Jay.
Patrick student SPL aircraft structural mech "Jay Honeck" wrote in message news:1xtRe.320308$xm3.164023@attbi_s21... JH Why the hell were they there? Ah, finally we see an example of "conservative compassion." ??? Let's see, Jim Cantori (Sp?) on the Weather Channel told 'em... Their State Governments told 'em.... CNN told 'em... Fox News told 'em... How many people have to tell these dumb asses to GET THE HELL OUT OF DODGE when there is a Level 5 hurricane bearing down on them, before they actually listen? They're there because they're there. No fricking place is safe, Jay. Next time some huge blizzard shuts down the mid-west for days or weeks I'll remember your answer. Next time a tornado rips through I'll ask, "why the hell were you living there?" Blizzards are fairly commonplace here, and no reason to fear. If anything, they're kinda fun. Unfortunately, tornados are tiny, and cannot be forecast with any degree of accuracy. They're like meteorites -- highly destructive, and totally unpredictable. Bottom line: If I could sit here in Iowa, watching on TV as this big ol' bag of Katrina whoop-ass bore inexorably down on the Gulf Coast, why couldn't the people who actually LIVE THERE do the same thing? I would have been in my plane/van/car/whatever, aimed north... -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" |
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Jay Honeck wrote:
I would have been in my plane/van/car/whatever, aimed north... Right. Like the guy with one leg that had to be carried for blocks to get into the Superdome. How far north you reckon he would've gotten? George Patterson Give a person a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a person to use the Internet and he won't bother you for weeks. |
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Jay Honeck wrote:
JH Why the hell were they there? How many people have to tell these dumb asses to GET THE HELL OUT OF DODGE when there is a Level 5 hurricane bearing down on them, before they actually listen? Bottom line: If I could sit here in Iowa, watching on TV as this big ol' bag of Katrina whoop-ass bore inexorably down on the Gulf Coast, why couldn't the people who actually LIVE THERE do the same thing? I would have been in my plane/van/car/whatever, aimed north... You are making several assumptions here that are not completely justifiable. The first is that these people did not listen to the warnings. There's a difference between wanting to get out of Dodge, and being able to do so. This is also reflected in the assumption indicated by your last statement - the assumption that these people had a "plane/van/car/whatever" that they could take north. For a lot of people in the city, the best they can afford is the public bus or streetcar system. And where are they going to go, even if they could go somewhere. New Orleans is one of those places where you're a newcomer if your family only goes back five generations, and where a relative is "distant" because he lives on the other side of town. These people don't have relatives they can stay with in other parts of the country because their relatives are in the city with them - and have been for many years. Staying in a motel is out of the question - when you're living day-to-day you just can't afford the luxury. There's also an emotional aspect to leaving that you, accustomed as you are to travelling routinely throughout the country, won't understand. A lot of these people have never been more than 25-30 miles from the home they were raised in. They may be in harm's way, but it's a familiar place. Even a lot of the middle-class inhabitants of the city can't understand how someone could move so far away (like maybe 150 miles) from everything they grew up with and all their friends and family. After all, if you're that far away aren't you in a different country? What you're doing is projecting your background onto people whose background is nothing like yours. New Orleans is not Iowa, and people's attitudes there are veru different from what you're used to. The decisions you _think_ you would make might seem like the only rational decisions, but the decisions the people in New Orleans made were just as rational - for them. In most cases, it boils down to doing the best you can when you don't have any options. |
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Jay Honeck wrote:
America is the only country in the world with fat poor people. And a hell of a lot of very fat middle class and wealthy people, too. Laziness transcends socioeconomic classes. Regarding the poor, the US gov't feeds its poor but allows them to choose their foods. Fried pork rinds and sugar cereal are often chosen over broccoli and fruit. Additionally, since inexpensive cars are ubiquitous (that is, up until the recent rise in fuel prices) and mass transit available to most, there is absolutely no opportunity for many of these folks to elevate their heartrates, unlike other countries where cycling and walking for the necessities of life are the only forms of transportation for the poor. -- Peter ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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"js" == john smith writes:
js My perception is hundreds of billions in the south vice tens js of billions for the midwest. js The midwest tax base is steadily shrinking do to loss of jobs js to other locals. Money repeatedly spent to hurricane damaged js infrastructure in the south siphons money away from repairing js the crumbling midwest infrastructure even once. And this is for Jay: can't you show, just once, even one day after a major disaster, some normal human compassion? Of course there shouldn't be a major city 4 feet below sea level or whatever it is. There shouldn't be all sorts of things. But as someone who lives in California--the Midwest's ATM machine--I know all about paying for other people's stupid decisions. It's damn ironic for someone from the Midwest, the red-ink and red-state heartland, to lecture us on where to live and sucking precious tax dollars. |
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"JH" == Jay Honeck writes:
JH America is the only country in the world with fat poor people. It's the only country with so many fat people, period. And that has a lot more to do with the huge fraction of processed foods and fast food restaurants with grossly oversized proportions, than anything else. |
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George Patterson wrote: Jay Honeck wrote: I would have been in my plane/van/car/whatever, aimed north... Right. Like the guy with one leg that had to be carried for blocks to get into the Superdome. How far north you reckon he would've gotten? With a ride to the bus station and a three day headstart? All the way to Iowa. |
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Peter R. wrote: Jay Honeck wrote: America is the only country in the world with fat poor people. And a hell of a lot of very fat middle class and wealthy people, too. Laziness transcends socioeconomic classes. Regarding the poor, the US gov't feeds its poor but allows them to choose their foods. Fried pork rinds and sugar cereal are often chosen over broccoli and fruit. You completely missed the point. Our poor people aren't poor compared to the rest of the world. |
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Newps wrote:
With a ride to the bus station and a three day headstart? All the way to Iowa. With what money? George Patterson Give a person a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a person to use the Internet and he won't bother you for weeks. |
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