How much longer?

On Apr 10, 1:42 pm, gatt wrote:
A bigger reason that new oil refineries aren't being built, as well as
nuclear waste facilities, is that no one wants one near his playground.
Everyone wants a new refinery in someone else's backyard.

Yep. A case in point was San Jose when the new Cisco plant went in.
Sure it caused brownouts, but when it came time for a new power plant,
the Cisco people in city planning argued that a power plant in their
backyard would ruin the view for the workers at the factory.

As a result of that and the Enron shenanigans, electricity rates in
Oregon went through the roof. And, by the way, haven't come down since.

Nevada keeps talking about burying the entire world's nuclear waste in
the Nevada test site where nothing lives and nobody goes, but California
NIMBYs don't want a nuke railroad running through their state.
-c

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenic_petroleum_origin
Has them arabs worried.
Ken

"Ken S. Tucker" wrote in
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On Apr 10, 1:42 pm, gatt wrote:
A bigger reason that new oil refineries aren't being built, as well
as nuclear waste facilities, is that no one wants one near his
playground. Everyone wants a new refinery in someone else's
backyard.

Yep. A case in point was San Jose when the new Cisco plant went in.
Sure it caused brownouts, but when it came time for a new power
plant, the Cisco people in city planning argued that a power plant in
their backyard would ruin the view for the workers at the factory.

As a result of that and the Enron shenanigans, electricity rates in
Oregon went through the roof. And, by the way, haven't come down
since.

Nevada keeps talking about burying the entire world's nuclear waste
in the Nevada test site where nothing lives and nobody goes, but
California NIMBYs don't want a nuke railroad running through their
state. -c

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenic_petroleum_origin
Has them arabs worried.
Ken


Good grief.

Bertie

On Apr 10, 3:42*pm, gatt wrote:
A bigger reason that new oil refineries aren't being built, as well as
nuclear waste facilities, is that no one wants one near his playground.
Everyone wants a new refinery in someone else's backyard.

Yep. *A case in point was San Jose when the new Cisco plant went in.
Sure it caused brownouts, but when it came time for a new power plant,
the Cisco people in city planning argued that a power plant in their
backyard would ruin the view for the workers at the factory.

As a result of that and the Enron shenanigans, electricity rates in
Oregon went through the roof. *And, by the way, haven't come down since.

Nevada keeps talking about burying the entire world's nuclear waste in
the Nevada test site where nothing lives and nobody goes, but California
NIMBYs don't want a nuke railroad running through their state.


A majority of people in Nevada absolutely do not want the Yucca
Mountain site to become active. They feel that the rest of the
country is trying to cram this thing down their throats, and they
resent it.

Phil

Phil J wrote:


A majority of people in Nevada absolutely do not want the Yucca
Mountain site to become active. They feel that the rest of the
country is trying to cram this thing down their throats, and they
resent it.

Phil

Absolutely correct, and Utah doesn't want that stuff going through its
state on the way to Nevada either. Save transportation costs and bury it
in Iowa.

"Dan Luke" wrote in message
news

"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote:

Diesel from algae has the potential for 10000 usg/acre used (and is
more of an industrial than agricultural process). So far it's not been
developed because oil has been so cheap.



Really? Haven't heard anything at all of this process.. I'll have to
have a look around unless you can shortcut me to somewhere ...


http://www.unh.edu/p2/biodiesel/article_alge.html

No time to study it next week, but this sort of thing has a way of including
a decimal point in the wrong place. It could still be a very good and
economically viable idea; just not a solution to 100% of the requirement.
That can also be a good thing, because a single source of amost anything is
a risky proposition.

Peter

Alan wrote:
In article Phil J writes:

Apparently you have never flown over this country at night. When I
have, I have looked down at thousands of lights, everywhere. Other
than the mountains, there are not very many areas that are not
populated.

Aha, back to AVIATION!!!

Flying at night is wonderful, but you must be from the east, since
night or day, much of Nevada and Utah looks pretty abandoned.

Most of eastern Washington and Oregon, too. I prefer it that way,
except on those night cross countries when the fuel needles are bouncing
around or there are thunderstorms developing all around.

-c

Phil J wrote:


A majority of people in Nevada absolutely do not want the Yucca
Mountain site to become active. They feel that the rest of the
country is trying to cram this thing down their throats, and they
resent it.

Rumor was (I had friends there who moved back to Oregon from Vegas
because the hated it) that it would radically reduce taxes for Nevada
residents if they charged the world to stow it's nuclear waste.

And it ain't like Nevada citizens haven't been radiated before. :/

It doesn't have to be Nevada. They could put it in downtown LA for what
most of the west coast cares. Berkeley would be a fair compromise.

-c

Dylan Smith wrote:
On 2008-04-09, Jay Honeck wrote:
I'm curious how they are getting 110 volts for your outlets. I thought that
was unattainable with current (sorry!) technology.

It's been attainable to get 110vac from DC probably for the best part of
a century or more. The magic device is called an inverter.

I have a little solar photovoltaic panel on my shed roof for powering the
electric stuff in the garden, like lighting, pond pump etc. It currently
has 3 outlets - 12 volt DC, 6 volt DC (a DC-DC converter I built myself
for charging 6 volt lead acid batteries, for use with my bike), and 240
volts AC off an inverter.

But how useful is 10 microA at 240V? :-)

Matt

On Apr 10, 4:50*pm, romeomike wrote:
Phil J wrote:

A majority of people in Nevada absolutely do not want the Yucca
Mountain site to become active. *They feel that the rest of the
country is trying to cram this thing down their throats, and they
resent it.

Phil

Absolutely correct, and Utah doesn't want that stuff going through its
state on the way to Nevada either. Save transportation costs and bury it
in Iowa.

The Alexis Park Inn and Nuculer Waste Storage Suites. Kinda has a
ring to it!

Phil

On Thu, 10 Apr 2008 13:48:24 -0700 (PDT), "Ken S. Tucker" wrote:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenic_petroleum_origin
Has them arabs worried.


Haw-haw!

Idiot.