Salto Tooling.

On Dec 17, 8:24*pm, Guy wrote:
So Al.....
You are going to make Saltos in your basement just like Mrs. Hanle?
Going to hire unemployed aeronautical engineers to do the layups in
your basement?
Use the hot tub for a curing oven?
Certify your all carbon Saltos for +/- 10G?
All for $30,000?
Control system and canopy are extra?

Sign me up.
Guy

Well imagine the following scenario....

We create a Co-Op for the production of the plane.
In order to buy one you become a member of the Co-Op.
The Co-Op only charges for costs not profit.
If you can contribute work to the Co-Op then you get a discount
against the labour rate etc.etc.
The Co-Op will hire X number of people to do the production on a full
time basis.

So in order to get started we would need to raise some capital to buy
the tooling, setup a production area and sell initial seed units to
first set of Co-Op members.

Also thinking give the wing section a refresh to something more modern
and start to add carbon into the build as well.

We could call it the Volksglider

Just a crazy pipe dream right now but as the worlds supply of
reasonable priced planes dries up this could become a viable option.

How many would you like to order Guy?

Cheers

Al

On Dec 17, 11:16*am, Bob Kuykendall wrote:
Al, if you can get the tooling I'd be glad to help you figure out how
to make them out of carbon...

While you're at it Bob, go get the LS-4b tooling.
See ya, Dave "YO electric"

You could name it the PW-5.1 Maybe set up a world class racing scheme
around the glider...
Seriously -- go for it.

On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 22:34:51 -0800 (PST),
wrote:


Andreas,
How many people were needed to build Salto in what time span?
Was the cost of materials about $10-15 thousand or more?

If I remember correctly, we needed about three people (part-time) to
build one Salto per month.
The main problem with the Salto was that the female molds left a lot
to be desired - especially the wings needed a lot of work to fit them
to the fuselage. Therefore the finishing needed forever.

The cost of materials was in the $15.000 range.

Al,

So, you are looking at a similar approach the "Chicago five" use in their HP-11 assembly line.
http://www.soaridaho.com/Schreder/HP...ive_HP-11s.htm
Notice item 7 in the "Joint Venture Agreement."
http://www.soaridaho.com/Schreder/HP...1A_Project.htm

Wayne
HP-14 "6F"
http://tinyurl.com/N990-6F


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On Dec 17, 8:24 pm, Guy wrote:

Well imagine the following scenario....

We create a Co-Op for the production of the plane.
In order to buy one you become a member of the Co-Op.
The Co-Op only charges for costs not profit.
If you can contribute work to the Co-Op then you get a discount
against the labour rate etc.etc.
The Co-Op will hire X number of people to do the production on a full
time basis.

So in order to get started we would need to raise some capital to buy
the tooling, setup a production area and sell initial seed units to
first set of Co-Op members.

Also thinking give the wing section a refresh to something more modern
and start to add carbon into the build as well.

We could call it the Volksglider

Just a crazy pipe dream right now but as the worlds supply of
reasonable priced planes dries up this could become a viable option.

How many would you like to order Guy?

Cheers

Al

On Dec 18, 4:38*am, Dave Nadler wrote:
On Dec 17, 11:16*am, Bob Kuykendall wrote:

Al, if you can get the tooling I'd be glad to help you figure out how
to make them out of carbon...

While you're at it Bob, go get the LS-4b tooling.
See ya, Dave "YO electric"

I pretty much have its equivalent at this point. If I painted "LS4" on
the side of an unflapped HP-24 ship you couldn't tell it wasn't so
until you got pretty close.

Thanks, Bob K.

I have nothing against pipe-dreams, but lets make it a good pipe-dream
with LS-4 performance. We wouldn't call it an LS-4 of course,
following the Centrair example out company would be something like
Trendtrair and we would be producing a MS-4. Don't really need carbon,
glass is much easier for unskilled hands to work with. But we need a
selling point, how about one of those Front Electric Sustainers and a
Ballistic Chute.with automatic hook-ups of course.
Pipe-dream over, I feel much better now.
JJ

Ops, forgot one thing. We need a test pilot to fly our MS-4 built in a
basement by the unskilled supervised by the
untrained..............................Al?

On Dec 18, 1:05*am, "
wrote:
On Dec 17, 8:24*pm, Guy wrote:

So Al.....
You are going to make Saltos in your basement just like Mrs. Hanle?
Going to hire unemployed aeronautical engineers to do the layups in
your basement?
Use the hot tub for a curing oven?
Certify your all carbon Saltos for +/- 10G?
All for $30,000?
Control system and canopy are extra?

Sign me up.
Guy

Well imagine the following scenario....

We create a Co-Op for the production of the plane.
In order to buy one you become a member of the Co-Op.
The Co-Op only charges for costs not profit.
If you can contribute work to the Co-Op then you get a discount
against the labour rate etc.etc.
The Co-Op will hire X number of people to do the production on a full
time basis.

So in order to get started we would need to raise some capital to buy
the tooling, setup a production area and sell initial seed units to
first set of Co-Op members.

Also thinking give the wing section a refresh to something more modern
and start to add carbon into the build as well.

We could call it the Volksglider

Just a crazy pipe dream right now but as the worlds supply of
reasonable priced planes dries up this could become a viable option.

How many would you like to order Guy?

Cheers

Al

Gentlemen, place your bets..............what will fly first, Al's
carbon Salto or my HP-24?

What were the performance specs of the Salto? I thought a sub 15m
under 40:1 ship was not what pilots wanted.

Brad

On Dec 18, 10:12*am, JJ Sinclair wrote:
I have nothing against pipe-dreams, but lets make it a good pipe-dream
with LS-4 performance. We wouldn't call it an LS-4 of course,
following the Centrair example out company would be something like
Trendtrair and we would be producing a MS-4. Don't really need carbon,
glass is much easier for unskilled hands to work with. But we need a
selling point, how about one of those Front Electric Sustainers and a
Ballistic Chute.with automatic hook-ups of course.
Pipe-dream over, I feel much better now.
JJ

Ops, forgot one thing. We need a test pilot to fly our MS-4 built in a
basement by the unskilled supervised by the
untrained..............................Al?

Instead of an MS-4, how about a "Rent-Us"?

Oh, wait....

-T8

On Dec 18, 7:17*am, Brad wrote:
On Dec 18, 1:05*am, "
wrote:



On Dec 17, 8:24*pm, Guy wrote:

So Al.....
You are going to make Saltos in your basement just like Mrs. Hanle?
Going to hire unemployed aeronautical engineers to do the layups in
your basement?
Use the hot tub for a curing oven?
Certify your all carbon Saltos for +/- 10G?
All for $30,000?
Control system and canopy are extra?

Sign me up.
Guy

Well imagine the following scenario....

We create a Co-Op for the production of the plane.
In order to buy one you become a member of the Co-Op.
The Co-Op only charges for costs not profit.
If you can contribute work to the Co-Op then you get a discount
against the labour rate etc.etc.
The Co-Op will hire X number of people to do the production on a full
time basis.

So in order to get started we would need to raise some capital to buy
the tooling, setup a production area and sell initial seed units to
first set of Co-Op members.

Also thinking give the wing section a refresh to something more modern
and start to add carbon into the build as well.

We could call it the Volksglider

Just a crazy pipe dream right now but as the worlds supply of
reasonable priced planes dries up this could become a viable option.

How many would you like to order Guy?

Cheers

Al

Gentlemen, place your bets..............what will fly first, Al's
carbon Salto or my HP-24?

What were the performance specs of the Salto? I thought a sub 15m
under 40:1 ship was not what pilots wanted.

Brad

Well the Salto plugs up to 15.5M plus with an up to date airfoil would
easily break the 40:1 barrier.
Plus you can take the tips off it and pull G's till you puke