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From: "Leadfoot" Date: 9/20/2004 11:31 PM Central Daylight Time Message-id: D8O3d.329675$Oi.320638@fed1read04 snip Also: "It was an error that was made, however, in good faith and in the spirit of trying to carry on a CBS News tradition of investigative reporting without fear or favoritism. Please know that nothing is more important to us than people's trust in our ability and our commitment to report fairly and truthfully. " No favoritism? Fair? Running a bash-the-candidate story 8 weeks before the election? That's a new definition of fair to me. Where is the bash Kerry story that should be there for balance? Give them a good story to bash Kerry with. I think at the moment CBS would kill for one. Unfortunately for the repugnants is that the latest on Kerry's medals is that they were all awarded legitimately according to a navy investigation in a DOD press release on Friday (the day to release news you want ignored) I have to admit that I understand why people would think Shrub is smarter. You have to be really dumb to go to Vietnam if you don't have to. ;-) Ignoring the slam on those of who went to Viet Nam voluntarily why not dredge up kerry's political history? He won't talk about it. Maybe he has something to hide. Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired |
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Cub Driver wrote:
Somewhat smarmy, but welcome nevertheless: ******************************** After extensive additional interviews, I no longer have the confidence in these documents that would allow us to continue vouching for them journalistically," he said. "I find we have been misled on the key question of how our source for the documents came into possession of these papers. That, combined with some of the questions that have been raised in public and in the press, leads me to a point where -- if I knew then what I know now -- I would not have gone ahead with the story as it was aired, and I certainly would not have used the documents in question." ***************************** In the Washington Post, which has covered this story honestly from the beginning: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2004Sep20.html I heard an interesting spin on this story from Dan Shore of NPR. It was a little editorial rather than a report, but shows a bit of left-leaning thinking on his part IMO. The documents were probably generated from someone's "remembrance" of the content of the real things, which have since vanished. So in effect, even though the paper might not be real, the *content* is correct. Hope springs eternal. SMH |
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"B2431" wrote in message ... From: "Leadfoot" Date: 9/20/2004 11:31 PM Central Daylight Time Message-id: D8O3d.329675$Oi.320638@fed1read04 snip Also: "It was an error that was made, however, in good faith and in the spirit of trying to carry on a CBS News tradition of investigative reporting without fear or favoritism. Please know that nothing is more important to us than people's trust in our ability and our commitment to report fairly and truthfully. " No favoritism? Fair? Running a bash-the-candidate story 8 weeks before the election? That's a new definition of fair to me. Where is the bash Kerry story that should be there for balance? Give them a good story to bash Kerry with. I think at the moment CBS would kill for one. Unfortunately for the repugnants is that the latest on Kerry's medals is that they were all awarded legitimately according to a navy investigation in a DOD press release on Friday (the day to release news you want ignored) I have to admit that I understand why people would think Shrub is smarter. You have to be really dumb to go to Vietnam if you don't have to. ;-) Ignoring the slam on those of who went to Viet Nam voluntarily It's sarcasm, did you see the ;-) ? why not dredge up kerry's political history? He won't talk about it. Maybe he has something to hide. I could forgive bush being AWOL if he'd just talk about it. Still wouldn't vote for the moron. My vote will be more anti-bush than pro Kerry. Getting us into a needless war is a firing offense. Not properly planning for the occupation of Iraq is a second firing offense. BTW Kerry killed a man to protect his crew and his boat. I think he has what it takes to protect the US. Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired |
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(Harry Andreas) wrote:
quoting CBS "It was an error that was made, however, in good faith and in the spirit of trying to carry on a CBS News tradition of investigative reporting without fear or favoritism. Please know that nothing is more important to us than people's trust in our ability and our commitment to report fairly and truthfully. " Even their "apology" is a brazen lie. When they 1. Ignore document experts who are counseling them that their sources have questionable authenticity 2. Ignore relatives of the decedent who are counseling them that their sources have questionable authenticity 3. Ignore the secretary that wrote documents for the very unit at issue, when she counsels them their sources have questionable authenticity 4. Sweepingly adopt a signature and handwriting expert's opinion on one portion of a document, and apply it to the whole, while clearly leading the viewers to believe the whole are being vetted Then it's really hard to take CBS seriously when they say they are committed to fairness and truthfulness. They knew plenty beforehand that indicated the docs were questionable. They cheerfully and quite intentionally ignored anything that did not fit their predetermined conclusions. Ditto CNN's "Tailwind" fabrications about nerve gas Ditto CBS/Rather's Viet Nam Vet's "expose" about PTSD Ditto the NBC (Dateline ?) rigged gas tank explosions for Chevy trucks in side impacts Ditto the NY Times /Jayson Blair Once upon a time, people actually investigated to see if the points they presented were actually true. Those days are sadly, long gone. Dan Rather's rush to get this story into the news and smear Bush weeks before the election speaks volumes about his politics and ethics. and a cast of thousands more... |
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Greasy Rider wrote:
"It was an error that was made, however, in good faith and in the spirit of trying to carry on a CBS News tradition of investigative reporting without fear or favoritism." Favoritism? Nah, not the Clinton Broadcasting System. http://www.kcomposite.com/saintclinton.com/ |
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Hey Leadfoot:
Remove the "spin," and what the USN IG said was NOT "an investigation has determined that kerry earned his medals" BUT INSTEAD "their appears to be insufficient reason for an investigation" Bi-i-i-i-i-i-ig difference, homes. Steve Swartz "Leadfoot" wrote in message news8O3d.329675$Oi.320638@fed1read04... "Harry Andreas" wrote in message ... In article , wrote: Somewhat smarmy, but welcome nevertheless: ******************************** After extensive additional interviews, I no longer have the confidence in these documents that would allow us to continue vouching for them journalistically," he said. "I find we have been misled on the key question of how our source for the documents came into possession of these papers. That, combined with some of the questions that have been raised in public and in the press, leads me to a point where -- if I knew then what I know now -- I would not have gone ahead with the story as it was aired, and I certainly would not have used the documents in question." ***************************** Also: "It was an error that was made, however, in good faith and in the spirit of trying to carry on a CBS News tradition of investigative reporting without fear or favoritism. Please know that nothing is more important to us than people's trust in our ability and our commitment to report fairly and truthfully. " No favoritism? Fair? Running a bash-the-candidate story 8 weeks before the election? That's a new definition of fair to me. Where is the bash Kerry story that should be there for balance? Give them a good story to bash Kerry with. I think at the moment CBS would kill for one. Unfortunately for the repugnants is that the latest on Kerry's medals is that they were all awarded legitimately according to a navy investigation in a DOD press release on Friday (the day to release news you want ignored) I have to admit that I understand why people would think Shrub is smarter. You have to be really dumb to go to Vietnam if you don't have to. ;-) This story's mere presence on a highly watched news show this close to an election demonstrates favoritism. I have questioned the credibility of television news, 60 Minutes in particular and CBS in general ever since they ran the Audi unintended acceleration stories back in the 80's. There have been many, many instances of biased journalism from this crew since then. This story bears an uncanny resemblance to NBC's rigged gas tank explosions in 1992. Dan Rather's rush to get this story into the news and smear Bush weeks before the election speaks volumes about his politics and ethics. -- Harry Andreas Engineering raconteur |
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"Leslie Swartz" wrote in message ... Hey Leadfoot: Remove the "spin," and what the USN IG said was NOT "an investigation has determined that kerry earned his medals" BUT INSTEAD "their appears to be insufficient reason for an investigation" Bi-i-i-i-i-i-ig difference, homes. No diference at all MORON, ROTFLMAO Steve Swartz Lets print the whole article, you repugnants seem to be in love with snippage WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. Navy has rejected a legal watchdog group's request to open an investigation into military awards given to Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry during the Vietnam War, saying his medals were properly approved. "Our examination found that existing documentation regarding the Silver Star, Bronze Star, and Purple Heart medals indicates the awards approval process was properly followed," the Navy's inspector general, Vice Admiral Ronald Route, said in a memo written to Navy Secretary Gordon England. "In particular, the senior officers who awarded the medals were properly delegated authority to do so. In addition we found that they correctly followed the procedures in place at the time for approving these awards." In rejecting the request for an investigation made by Judicial Watch last month, Route said that "conducting any additional review regarding events that took place over thirty years ago would not be productive." Kerry has been criticized by a group of Vietnam veterans called Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, about whether he earned the decorations Kerry's campaign has touted during his campaign for the presidency. SBVT are slime dogs "Leadfoot" wrote in message news8O3d.329675$Oi.320638@fed1read04... "Harry Andreas" wrote in message ... In article , wrote: Somewhat smarmy, but welcome nevertheless: ******************************** After extensive additional interviews, I no longer have the confidence in these documents that would allow us to continue vouching for them journalistically," he said. "I find we have been misled on the key question of how our source for the documents came into possession of these papers. That, combined with some of the questions that have been raised in public and in the press, leads me to a point where -- if I knew then what I know now -- I would not have gone ahead with the story as it was aired, and I certainly would not have used the documents in question." ***************************** Also: "It was an error that was made, however, in good faith and in the spirit of trying to carry on a CBS News tradition of investigative reporting without fear or favoritism. Please know that nothing is more important to us than people's trust in our ability and our commitment to report fairly and truthfully. " No favoritism? Fair? Running a bash-the-candidate story 8 weeks before the election? That's a new definition of fair to me. Where is the bash Kerry story that should be there for balance? Give them a good story to bash Kerry with. I think at the moment CBS would kill for one. Unfortunately for the repugnants is that the latest on Kerry's medals is that they were all awarded legitimately according to a navy investigation in a DOD press release on Friday (the day to release news you want ignored) I have to admit that I understand why people would think Shrub is smarter. You have to be really dumb to go to Vietnam if you don't have to. ;-) This story's mere presence on a highly watched news show this close to an election demonstrates favoritism. I have questioned the credibility of television news, 60 Minutes in particular and CBS in general ever since they ran the Audi unintended acceleration stories back in the 80's. There have been many, many instances of biased journalism from this crew since then. This story bears an uncanny resemblance to NBC's rigged gas tank explosions in 1992. Dan Rather's rush to get this story into the news and smear Bush weeks before the election speaks volumes about his politics and ethics. -- Harry Andreas Engineering raconteur |
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"B2431" wrote in message ... From: "Leadfoot" Date: 9/21/2004 9:01 AM Central Daylight Time Message-id: zuW3d.330293$Oi.227911@fed1read04 "B2431" wrote in message ... From: "Leadfoot" Date: 9/20/2004 11:31 PM Central Daylight Time Message-id: D8O3d.329675$Oi.320638@fed1read04 snip Also: "It was an error that was made, however, in good faith and in the spirit of trying to carry on a CBS News tradition of investigative reporting without fear or favoritism. Please know that nothing is more important to us than people's trust in our ability and our commitment to report fairly and truthfully. " No favoritism? Fair? Running a bash-the-candidate story 8 weeks before the election? That's a new definition of fair to me. Where is the bash Kerry story that should be there for balance? Give them a good story to bash Kerry with. I think at the moment CBS would kill for one. Unfortunately for the repugnants is that the latest on Kerry's medals is that they were all awarded legitimately according to a navy investigation in a DOD press release on Friday (the day to release news you want ignored) I have to admit that I understand why people would think Shrub is smarter. You have to be really dumb to go to Vietnam if you don't have to. ;-) Ignoring the slam on those of who went to Viet Nam voluntarily It's sarcasm, did you see the ;-) ? why not dredge up kerry's political history? He won't talk about it. Maybe he has something to hide. I could forgive bush being AWOL if he'd just talk about it. Prove he was AWOL. He was never cited for it or such proof would surely have been presented by now. Yeah daddy bush sure would have been happy with that one Still wouldn't vote for the moron. My vote will be more anti-bush than pro Kerry. Getting us into a needless war is a firing offense. Not properly planning for the occupation of Iraq is a second firing offense. BTW Kerry killed a man to protect his crew and his boat. I think he has what it takes to protect the US. He was a company grade officer. That alone doesn't make him qualified. What is his political record? Why does he slam Bush instead of telling us about his OWN glowing achievemnts? Why is he unqualified to defend the US? You do realize Dubya is the best recruiter Osama Bin-laden ever had. http://tinyurl.com/6wztn Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired |
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