We Are All Spaniards

The way to defeat terrorism is to have it not work any more. This means
accepting the death and destruction without changing our policy.

Agree 100%. We must stay the course, fight the good fight, and not flinch.

Unfortunately, the Spanish just showed that terror will influence elections,
policies, treaties, and troop deployments.

A very, very bad precedent. I fear the world will pay a terrible price for
Spain's actions.
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WWJD

IDCWJWD.

Jose


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In article , Judah wrote:
Just as the they believe the IRA are terrorists...

The IRA *are* terrorists.

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"Newps" wrote in message
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Let me think - that's a hard one - umm, umm, umm. I think every native
American was innocent until the white man came and began robbing them,


Nobody was innocent. The white man didn't do anything the indians
weren't already doing to each other for thousands of years. We were
just better at it.

Quite so, and after the white man came, theft of property was strictly the
domain of common criminals or the IRS.

"Rosspilot" wrote in message
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That's the only way to "win" the war against terrorism. It involves
accepting
the losses they inflict, while not inflicting more losses on ourselves.

We do as much to "terrorize" ourselves as they do.

Yeah, only 98% of us just go about out days in peace...

I agree with Jose. We
constantly dwell on it,

We're in a freaking war, man. Do we need another, more severe kick in the
ass to get that through some peoples heads?

we are riveted to Fox News which exploits it for
ratings,

And CNN (and Peter Arnett), CNBC, ABC ABC, NY Times, LA Times,... don't
exploit it for THEIR ratings? Your credibility just took a nosedive.

"Cub Driver" wrote in message
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That was my reaction also. I don't know if it makes random attacks on
Spanish targets more likely, but it certainly makes attacks on BRITISH
targets more likely. Probably Polish targets as well.

On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 02:26:18 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
wrote:

The socialists have just won the election & Zapatero has
pledged to withdraw troops from Iraq. Looks like it's
down to the US, Britain, Australia and Poland. Rather
like last time.

With this election the Spanish have actually legitimized the very
attackers
they supposedly revile, and endangered us all in the process.

This election will encourage the terrorists like nothing else has.

One report earlier this morning gave rise to the possibility it was locals,
not any Islamic terrorists. Another gave a possible link back to the
Socialists.

"Cub Driver" wrote in message
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That was my reaction also. I don't know if it makes random attacks on
Spanish targets more likely, but it certainly makes attacks on BRITISH
targets more likely. Probably Polish targets as well.


I disagree. Britain has always been a target. An attack would not
change government policy (even if Labour were kicked out, the
Conservatives are even more bullish). And the UK have a clearer
sense of their global responsibilities than Spain. Of course, this
doesn't preclude an attack out of spite, but that is as likely now as
it was before the weekend. The most likely enhanced targets are
France and Germany (over the hajib issue), and in fact these two
have today called for an EU-wide emergency security conference.

The big loser in this is not the coalition forces in Iraq; rather it is
the institutions of the EU. The idea of a common defense force is
exposed as a farce (with Spain turning tail after just one bloody
nose), and continent-wide unity dealt a further blow (as the Spanish
political establishment is clearly not in the least concerned that their
actions have made life more dangerous and difficult for the rest of
the people of the EU).

I agree with Jose. We
constantly dwell on it,

We're in a freaking war, man. Do we need another, more severe kick in the
ass to get that through some peoples heads?


What this has to do with my statement escapes, me. I think everyone is aware
of it without the need for incessant harping on it.

we are riveted to Fox News which exploits it for
ratings,

And CNN (and Peter Arnett), CNBC, ABC ABC, NY Times, LA Times,... don't
exploit it for THEIR ratings? Your credibility just took a nosedive.


Because I didn't reel off the names of ALL the media? Fox is just the one that
came to mind as most representative. I agree that they are all obscessed by
it. In a way, you make my point.




www.Rosspilot.com

On Sun, 14 Mar 2004 02:30:15 GMT, Larry Dighera
wrote:


Your question seems to presume that the behavior of those who commit
irrational acts is guided by successful results. I'm not so sure that
is the case. Terrorists are obviously not constrained by rationality,
so expecting a rational response seems unwarranted.

Larry, please don't take this as an attack because I don't intend it
that way, but you should not assume that because the Islamic
terrorists have had a series of successful attacks against civilian
targets that they are not rational.

To them, the attacks are extremely rational. It's literally the only
attack they can be successful at. It doesn't matter if western
thinking cannot comprehend the point of such attacks. THEY think they
are useful, or they would not be making them.

In a way it's like the Kamakaze attacks on US Navy shipping during
WWII, only worse, because the Japanese weren't attacking because of a
religious fervor and they only attacked military targets. This thing
is religion based, but it's based on an apparently warped
interpretation of the Koran. But that doesn't matter to them. To the
people who believe in this Islamic Jihad, it's the most rational thing
on earth, or they could not be persuaded to die for the cause.

Corky Scott

On Sun, 14 Mar 2004 18:18:03 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
wrote:

We don't, actually. We fight criminals.

There's no expectation that crime will cease.

Really? I was under the impression that our criminal justice system was
meant to be a deterrent.

In other words, we expect crime to cease, given enough punishment.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

I think there is, or are plans to attack "crime" as a concept. Crime
has long been thought by psychologists to be frequently the result of
horrifyingly poor parenting. Such things as families without both
parents around, or emotional and or physical abuse. The existance of
adicting drugs also plays a part. Wipe out the root causes and
eventually crime should fade. Not die out entirely, but gradually
diminish. The problem is that poor parenting begats poor parenting.
It's a vicious circle that's very difficult to break.

Corky Scott

PS, there are many opinions about the root causes of crime. For sure
it's not going to be "cured" in the next 20 years.