Dangerous Cessna evacuates govt again

"Jose" wrote in message
...
Granted, the current rules are nonsense but that doesn't give these two
nitwits the go ahead to fly into the restricted area. That's not how you
fix stupid rules. That's how you get more stupid rules.

Just idly thinking here after two glasses of wine, but what if =all= the
spam cans in the country formed a line and flew directly over the white
house at 2000 feet with no transponder code and no clearance, and kept
doing it even as we were being shot down? What do you think the eventual
effect of this would be?


I love it: America hasn't had a decent civil disobedience protest for a
while.

The French population tried it on the Bastille in 1789.

The US civil rights movement tried it many times during the 1950's and 60's.

The students of Kent State tried it May 4, 1970. Americans killed 4 of
them.

From the outside looking in, I would expect the result to be similar to Kent
State. A few Americans may die. The population may be outraged and
recognize the futility of their government's policies, or it may nod its
head sagely and say the pilots had it coming. It depends on whether they
value "freedom and democracy", or prefer feudal dependance.

Twenty or thirty years later everyone will wonder what all the fuss was
about, because by then some other equally "important" disaster will have
befallen.... and whether man-made or natural, physical or political or
economic, it will come from a totally unexpected and unplanned-for source.

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:tlLge.76018$WI3.54729@attbi_s71...
If you're referring to criminal guilt ("judge or jury"), do you have a
statute in mind? The FBI has already concluded that since the incursion
was unintentional, no criminal charges will be filed.

I surely hope the FAA takes a firmer stance.
--


Why?

If the FAA goes lightly, it will go a long way to showing that light
aircraft do indeed pose little problem, and possibly the rest of GA can get
on with its life without this pervasive sense of fear.

From what I can tell that is true, unless you are flying as a sport pilot.

Patrick
student SPL
aircraft structural mech


"Blueskies" wrote in message
...

USA can fly VFR as long as the visibility and cloud clearance rules are
followed. We can fly over the top of the clouds with no surface visible...

"Blueskies" wrote in message
...

"Icebound" wrote in message
...

"Gary Drescher" wrote in message
...
"W P Dixon" wrote in message
...
Interesting! I wonder how that works? Hard to have a visual if you can
not see? Not trying to be a smart ass or anything just trying to get
the whole picture.

For purposes of visual versus instrument flight rules, the required
visibility conditions are specified for purposes of separation, not
navigation or aviation. That is, as long as you can see well enough to
keep from colliding with other aircraft, there's no requirement to be
able to tell where you are without use of instruments, or even to be
able to keep the plane upright without use of instruments.



For those of you who fly VFR to Canada, I do not believe that
interpretation would stand up. Canadian rules specifically mention:


602.114 [and 602.115]

No person shall operate an aircraft in VFR flight within controlled [and
uncontrolled] airspace unless

(a) the aircraft is operated with visual reference to the surface;



USA can fly VFR as long as the visibility and cloud clearance rules are
followed. We can fly over the top of the clouds with no surface visible...


Canada has Over-the-top rules as well, but the flight-visibility and cloud
clearance rules change from those of "VFR-as-defined". In other words:
VFR-over-the-top is specifically defined in the regulations to be something
slightly different than "VFR".

Neither Bin Laden nor his agents altered the rules about flying or
security. This we did ourselves, with glee. It's an auto-immune disease
our country has.


A myopic view of America

Half of America. I'll let you figure out which half.

Jose
--
Money: what you need when you run out of brains.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

Well stated sir. All of this because the blowhards is Washington
have abrogated their responsibilities and now the peons must pay.

Ha! You guys voted for these monsters, now you're whining...I love it!

It's especially maddening for those of us who had more sense than to vote
for them.

Jay Honeck wrote:
The ADIZ already encompasses an area with a population bigger than your
entire state.

Wow. Why would y'all cram yourselves into such a tiny area?

'Cause there's money to be made there.

George Patterson
There's plenty of room for all of God's creatures. Right next to the
mashed potatoes.

gatt wrote:
"George Patterson" wrote in message news:vZyge.1550

I did not.

George Patterson
There's plenty of room for all of God's creatures. Right next to the
mashed potatoes.

kontiki wrote:

You young guys don't have the perspective to appreciate just
how different this country is today compared to 40 years ago.

Yep. I haven't seen a sign that says "******, don't let the sun go down on you
in this town" since 1965.

George Patterson
There's plenty of room for all of God's creatures. Right next to the
mashed potatoes.

Dave Stadt wrote:
"Thomas Borchert" wrote in message
...

Martin,


it shows how damn stupid we human beeings really are.


It's still not funny for me.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)



What I want to know is where were all those ninnies running to. Do they
just go out into the streets and run around in circles bumping into each
other?





--
George Patterson
There's plenty of room for all of God's creatures. Right next to the
mashed potatoes.