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On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 15:01:41 -0800, "Peter Duniho"
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"mike regish" wrote in message
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Morality is doing the right thing just because you know it's the right
thing to do, not because you think some magical being is going to
strike
you down from above or send you to some imaginary hell.

For what it's worth, not all religious convictions are based on fear of
retribution from God either.


No, some are based on the reward of 70 virgins and such.

It's fine to say that you have moral conviction without religion, but
don't
be confused about what religion is or is not. You'll need a better
argument
if you want your distinction to "stick".

Pete


What distinction? Moral vs religious?

There is little, if any, connection o the two. More immoral acts have
been committed by the religious than probably any other identifiable
group.


That sounds like something you made up. Care to name a source?

Although you might get lucky because a quick check on the net shows that
only 2.5% of the world's population are athiests in the year 2000. The
rest believe is some higher power.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/worldrel.htm

Well, isn't this the most cosmopolitan newsgroup. I was (pleasantly)
surprised to find so many freethinkers here, but not surprised at this
poster. My friend, priests practice intolerance and commit murders, not
philosophers. Be a philosopher, not a priest. Most philosophers are
freethinkers, anyway.

Don't believe everything you read on the net about "athiests," my friend,
whatever THEY are. Some of us are atheists, some agnostic, some just
freethinkers.
*****************
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?
---Epicurus

On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 02:42:14 GMT, "mike regish"
wrote:

Yep.

mike


Because they know they are the only ones in the right and must either
convert of destroy the opposition.

Roger

wrote in message
.. .
So very true.

The world is overrunning with immoral religious types.

On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 02:59:17 GMT, Brooks Hagenow
wrote:

wrote:
On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 15:01:41 -0800, "Peter Duniho"
wrote:


"mike regish" wrote in message
news:r29od.79682$5K2.21834@attbi_s03...

Morality is doing the right thing just because you know it's the right
thing to do, not because you think some magical being is going to strike
you down from above or send you to some imaginary hell.

For what it's worth, not all religious convictions are based on fear of
retribution from God either.


No, some are based on the reward of 70 virgins and such.

It's fine to say that you have moral conviction without religion, but don't
be confused about what religion is or is not. You'll need a better argument
if you want your distinction to "stick".

Pete


What distinction? Moral vs religious?

There is little, if any, connection o the two. More immoral acts have
been committed by the religious than probably any other identifiable
group.


That sounds like something you made up. Care to name a source?

Sure. Try this one:

Holy Horrors
An Illustrated History of Religious Murder and Madness

James A. Haught





If you want something more immediate, here's a sample"





HOLY HORROR--ATROCITIES IN THE NAME OF GOD.

ONE OF THE PIECES WHICH ACCOUNTS FOR WHY ALL PEOPLE WITH THE SPIRIT OF
PHILOSOPHY FIND THE RELIGIONS OF THE MASSES OFFENSIVE.

Library: Modern: James A. Haught: Holy Horrors (1990)
Order books by James A. Haught now
[This article was originally published in Penthouse, August 1990.]


A pig caused hundreds of Indians to kill one another in 1980. The
animal walked through a Muslim holy ground at Moradabad, near New
Delhi. Muslims, who think pigs are an embodiment of Satan, blamed
Hindus for the defilement. They went on a murder rampage, stabbing and
clubbing Hindus, who retaliated in kind. The pig riot spread to a
dozen cities and left more than 200 dead.
This swinish episode tells a universal tale. It typifies religious
behavior that has been recurring for centuries.

Ronald Reagan often called religion the world's mightiest force for
good, "the bedrock of moral order." George Bush said it gives people
"the character they need to get through life." This view is held by
millions. But the truism isn't true. The record of human experience
shows that where religion is strong, it causes cruelty. Intense
beliefs produce intense hostility. Only when faith loses its force can
a society hope to become humane.
The history of religion is a horror story. If anyone doubts it, just
review this chronicle of religion's gore during the last 1,000 years
or so:

-- The First Crusade was launched in 1095 with the battle cry "Deus
Vult" (God wills it), a mandate to destroy infidels in the Holy Land.
Gathering crusaders in Germany first fell upon "the infidel among us,"
Jews in the Rhine valley, thousands of whom were dragged from their
homes or hiding places and hacked to death or burned alive. Then the
religious legions plundered their way 2,000 miles to Jerusalem, where
they killed virtually every inhabitant, "purifying" the symbolic city.
Cleric Raymond of Aguilers wrote: "In the temple of Solomon, one rode
in blood up to the knees and even to the horses' bridles, by the just
and marvelous judgment of God."

-- Human sacrifice blossomed in the Mayan theocracy of Central America
between the 11th and 16th centuries. To appease a feathered-serpent
god, maidens were drowned in sacred wells and other victims either had
their hearts cut out, were shot with arrows, or were beheaded.
Elsewhere, sacrifice was sporadic. In Peru, pre-Inca tribes killed
children in temples called "houses of the moon." In Tibet, Bon shamans
performed ritual killings. In Borneo builders of pile houses drove the
first pile through the body of a maiden to pacify the earth goddess.
In India, Dravidian people offered lives to village goddesses, and
followers of Kali sacrificed a male child every Friday evening.

-- In the Third Crusade, after Richard the Lion-Hearted captured Acre
in 1191, he ordered 3,000 captives -- many of them women and children
-- taken outside the city and slaughtered. Some were disemboweled in a
search for swallowed gems. Bishops intoned blessings. Infidel lives
were of no consequence. As Saint Bernard of Clairvaux declared in
launching the Second Crusade: "The Christian glories in the death of a
pagan, because thereby Christ himself is glorified."

-- The Assassins were a sect of Ismaili Shi'ite Muslims whose faith
required the stealthy murder of religious opponents. From the 11th to
13th centuries, they killed numerous leaders in modern-day Iran, Iraq
and Syria. They finally were wiped out by conquering Mongols -- but
their vile name survives.

-- Throughout Europe, beginning in the 1100s, tales spread that Jews
were abducting Christian children, sacrificing them, and using their
blood in rituals. Hundreds of massacres stemmed from this "blood
libel." Some of the supposed sacrifice victims -- Little Saint Hugh of
Lincoln, the holy child of LaGuardia, Simon of Trent -- were beatified
or commemorated with shrines that became sites of pilgrimages and
miracles.

-- In 1209, Pope Innocent III launched an armed crusade against
Albigenses Christians in southern France. When the besieged city of
Beziers fell, soldiers reportedly asked their papal adviser how to
distinguish the faithful from the infidel among the captives. He
commanded: "Kill them all. God will know his own." Nearly 20,000 were
slaughtered -- many first blinded, mutilated, dragged behind horses,
or used for target practice.

-- The Fourth Lateran Council in 1215 proclaimed the doctrine of
transubstantiation: that the host wafer miraculously turns into the
body of Jesus during the mass. Soon rumors spread that Jews were
stealing the sacred wafers and stabbing or driving nails through them
to crucify Jesus again. Reports said that the pierced host bled, cried
out, or emitted spirits. On this charge, Jews were burned at the stake
in 1243 in Belitz, Germany -- the first of many killings that
continued into the 1800s. To avenge the tortured host, the German
knight Rindfliesch led a brigade in 1298 that exterminated 146
defenseless Jewish communities in six months.

-- In the 1200s the Incas built their empire in Peru, a society
dominated by priests reading daily magical signs and offering
sacrifices to appease many gods. At major ceremonies up to 200
children were burned as offerings. Special "chosen women" -- comely
virgins without blemish -- were strangled.

-- Also during the 1200s, the hunt for Albigensian heretics led to
establishment of the Inquisition, which spread over Europe. Pope
Innocent IV authorized torture. Under interrogation by Dominican
priests, screaming victims were stretched, burned, pierced and broken
on fiendish pain machines to make them confess to disbelief and to
identify fellow transgressors. Inquisitor Robert le Bourge sent 183
people to the stake in a single week.

-- In Spain, where many Jews and Moors had converted to escape
persecution, inquisitors sought those harboring their old faith. At
least 2,000 Spanish backsliders were burned. Executions in other
countries included the burning of scientists such as
mathematician-philosopher Giordano Bruno, who espoused Copernicus's
theory that the planets orbit the sun.

-- When the Black Death swept Europe in 1348-1349, rumors alleged that
it was caused by Jews poisoning wells. Hysterical mobs slaughtered
thousands of Jews in several countries. In Speyer, Germany, the burned
bodies were piled into giant wine casks and sent floating down the
Rhine. In northern Germany Jews were walled up alive in their homes to
suffocate or starve. The Flagellants, an army of penitents who whipped
themselves bloody, stormed the Jewish quarter of Frankfurt in a
gruesome massacre. The prince of Thuringia announced that he had
burned his Jews for the honor of God.

-- The Aztecs began their elaborate theocracy in the 1300s and brought
human sacrifice to a golden era. About 20,000 people were killed
yearly to appease gods -- especially the sun god, who needed daily
"nourishment" of blood. Hearts of sacrifice victims were cut out, and
some bodies were eaten ceremoniously. Other victims were drowned,
beheaded, burned or dropped from heights. In a rite to the rain god,
shrieking children were killed at several sites so that their tears
might induce rain. In a rite to the maize goddess, a virgin danced for
24 hours, then was killed and skinned; her skin was worn by a priest
in further dancing. One account says that at King Ahuitzotl's
coronation, 80,000 prisoners were butchered to please the gods.

-- In the 1400s, the Inquisition shifted its focus to witchcraft.
Priests tortured untold thousands of women into confessing that they
were witches who flew through the sky and engaged in sex with the
devil -- then they were burned or hanged for their confessions. Witch
hysteria raged for three centuries in a dozen nations. Estimates of
the number executed vary from 100,000 to 2 million. Whole villages
were exterminated. In the first half of the 17th century, about 5,000
"witches" were put to death in the French province of Alsace, and 900
were burned in the Bavarian city of Bamberg. The witch craze was
religious madness at its worst.

-- The "Protestant Inquisition" is a term applied to the severities of
John Calvin in Geneva and Queen Elizabeth I in England during the
1500s. Calvin's followers burned 58 "heretics," including theologian
Michael Servetus, who doubted the Trinity. Elizabeth I outlawed
Catholicism and executed about 200 Catholics.

-- Protestant Huguenots grew into an aggressive minority in France in
the 15OOs -- until repeated Catholic reprisals smashed them. On Saint
Bartholomew's Day in 1572, Catherine de Medicis secretly authorized
Catholic dukes to send their soldiers into Huguenot neighborhoods and
slaughter families. This massacre touched off a six-week bloodbath in
which Catholics murdered about 10,000 Huguenots. Other persecutions
continued for two centuries, until the French Revolution. One group of
Huguenots escaped to Florida; in 1565 a Spanish brigade discovered
their colony, denounced their heresy, and killed them all.

-- Members of lndia's Thuggee sect strangled people as sacrifices to
appease the bloodthirsty goddess Kali, a practice beginning in the
1500s. The number of victims has been estimated to be as high as 2
million. Thugs were claiming about 20,000 lives a year in the 1800s
until British rulers stamped them out. At a trial in 1840, one Thug
was accused of killing 931 people. Today, some Hindu priests still
sacrifice goats to Kali.

-- The Anabaptists, communal "rebaptizers," were slaughtered by both
Catholic and Protestant authorities. In Munster, Germany, Anabaptists
took control of the city, drove out the clergymen, and proclaimed a
New Zion. The bishop of Munster began an armed siege. While the
townspeople starved, the Anabaptist leader proclaimed himself king and
executed dissenters. When Munster finally fell, the chief Anabaptists
were tortured to death with red-hot pincers and their bodies hung in
iron cages from a church steeple.

-- Oliver Cromwell was deemed a moderate because he massacred only
Catholics and Anglicans, not other Protestants. This Puritan general
commanded Bible-carrying soldiers, whom he roused to religious fervor.
After decimating an Anglican army, Cromwell said, "God made them as
stubble to our swords." He demanded the beheading of the defeated King
Charles I, and made himself the holy dictator of England during the
1650s. When his army crushed the hated Irish Catholics, he ordered the
execution of the surrendered defenders of Drogheda and their priests,
calling it "a righteous judgment of God upon these barbarous
wretches."

-- Ukrainian Bogdan Chmielnicki was a Cossack Cromwell. He wore the
banner of Eastern Orthodoxy in a holy war against Jews and Polish
Catholics. More than 100,000 were killed in this 17th-century
bloodbath, and the Ukraine was split away from Poland to become part
of the Orthodox Russian empire.

-- The Thirty Years' War produced the largest religious death toll of
all time. It began in 1618 when Protestant leaders threw two Catholic
emissaries out of a Prague window into a dung heap. War flared between
Catholic and Protestant princedoms, drawing in supportive religious
armies from Germany, Spain, England, Holland, Denmark, Sweden, France
and Italy. Sweden's Protestant soldiers sang Martin Luther's "Ein
'Feste Burg" in battle. Three decades of combat turned central Europe
into a wasteland of misery. One estimate states that Germany's
population dropped from 18 million to 4 million. In the end nothing
was settled, and too few people remained to rebuild cities, plant
fields, or conduct education.

-- When Puritans settled in Massachusetts in the 1600s, they created a
religious police state where doctrinal deviation could lead to
flogging, pillorying, hanging, cutting off ears, or boring through the
tongue with a hot iron. Preaching Quaker beliefs was a capital
offense. Four stubborn Quakers defied this law and were hanged. In the
1690s fear of witches seized the colony. Twenty alleged witches were
killed and 150 others imprisoned.

-- In 1723 the bishop of Gdansk, Poland, demanded that all Jews be
expelled from the city. The town council declined, but the bishop's
exhortations roused a mob that invaded the ghetto and beat the
residents to death.

-- Islamic jihads (holy wars), mandated by the Koran, killed millions
over 12 centuries. In early years, Muslim armies spread the faith
rapidly: east to India and west to Morocco. Then splintering sects
branded other Muslims as infidels and declared jihads against them.
The Kharijis battled Sunni rulers. The Azariqis decreed death to all
"sinners" and their families. In 1804 a Sudanese holy man, Usman dan
Fodio, waged a bloody jihad that broke the religious sway of the
Sultan of Gobir. In the 1850s another Sudanese mystic, 'Umar al-Hajj,
led a barbaric jihad to convert pagan African tribes -- with
massacres, beheadings and a mass execution of 300 hostages. In the
1880s a third Sudanese holy man, Muhammad Ahmed, commanded a jihad
that destroyed a 10,000-man Egyptian army and wiped out defenders of
Khartoum led by British general Charles "Chinese" Gordon.

-- In 1801 Orthodox priests in Bucharest, Romania, revived the story
that Jews sacrificed Christians and drank their blood. Enraged
parishioners stormed the ghetto and cut the throats of 128 Jews

-- When the Baha'i faith began in Persia in 1844, the Islamic regime
sought to exterminate it. The Baha'i founder was imprisoned and
executed in 1850. Two years later, the religious government massacred
20,000 Baha'is. Streets of Tehran were soaked with blood. The new
Baha'i leader, Baha'ullah, was tortured and exiled in foreign Muslim
prisons for the rest of his life.

-- Human sacrifices were still occurring in Buddhist Burma in the
1850s. When the capital was moved to Mandalay, 56 "spotless" men were
buried beneath the new city walls to sanctify and protect the city.
When two of the burial spots were later found empty, royal astrologers
decreed that 500 men, women, boys, and girls must be killed and buried
at once, or the capital must be abandoned. About 100 were actually
buried before British governors stopped the ceremonies.

-- In 1857 both Muslim and Hindu taboos triggered the Sepoy Mutiny in
India. British rulers had given their native soldiers new paper
cartridges that had to be bitten open. The cartridges were greased
with animal tallow. This enraged Muslims, to whom pigs are unclean,
and Hindus, to whom cows are sacred. Troops of both faiths went into a
crazed mutiny, killing Europeans wantonly. At Kanpur, hundreds of
European women and children were massacred after being promised safe
passage.

-- Late in the 19th century, with rebellion stirring in Russia, the
czars attempted to divert public attention by helping anti-Semitic
groups rouse Orthodox Christian hatred for Jews. Three waves of
pogroms ensued -- in the 1880s, from 1903 to 1906, and during the
Russian Revolution. Each wave was increasingly murderous. During the
final period, 530 communities were attacked and 60,000 Jews were
killed.

-- In the early 1900s, Muslim Turks waged genocide against Christian
Armenians, and Christian Greeks and Balkans warred against the Islamic
Ottoman Empire.

-- When India finally won independence from Britain in 1947, the
"great soul" of Mahatma Gandhi wasn't able to prevent Hindus and
Muslims from turning on one another in a killing frenzy that took
perhaps 1 million lives. Even Gandhi was killed by a Hindu who thought
him too pro-Muslim.

-- In the 1950s and 1960s, combat between Christians, animists and
Muslims in Sudan killed more than 500,000.

-- In Jonestown, Guyana, in 1978, followers of the Rev. Jim Jones
killed a visiting congressman and three newsmen, then administered
cyanide to themselves and their children in a 900-person suicide that
shocked the world.

-- Islamic religious law decrees that thieves shall have their hands
or feet chopped off, and unmarried lovers shall be killed. In the
Sudan in 1983 and 1984, 66 thieves were axed in public. A moderate
Muslim leader, Mahmoud Mohammed Taha, was hanged for heresy in 1985
because he opposed these amputations. In Saudi Arabia a teen-age
princess and her lover were executed in public in 1977. In Pakistan in
1987, a 25-year-old carpenter's daughter was sentenced to be stoned to
death for engaging in unmarried sex. In the United Arab Emirates in
1984, a cook and a maid were sentenced to stoning for adultery -- but,
as a show of mercy, the execution was postponed until after the maid's
baby was born.

-- In 1983 in Darkley, Northern Ireland, Catholic terrorists with
automatic weapons burst into a Protestant church on a Sunday morning
and opened fire, killing three worshipers and wounding seven. It was
just one of hundreds of Catholic-Protestant ambushes that have taken
2,600 lives in Ulster since age-old religious hostility turned violent
again in 1969.

-- Hindu-Muslim bloodshed erupts randomly throughout India. More than
3,000 were killed in Assam province in 1983. In May 1984 Muslims hung
dirty sandals on a Hindu leader's portrait as a religious insult. This
act triggered a week of arson riots that left 216 dead, 756 wounded,
13,000 homeless, and 4,100 in jail.

-- Religious tribalism -- segregation of sects into hostile camps --
has ravaged Lebanon continuously since 1975. News reports of the civil
war tell of "Maronite Christian snipers," "Sunni Muslim suicide
bombers," "Druze machine gunners," "Shi'ite Muslim mortar fire," and
"Alawite Muslim shootings." Today 130,000 people are dead and a
once-lovely nation is laid waste.

-- In Nigeria in 1982, religious fanatic followers of Mallam Marwa
killed and mutilated several hundred people as heretics and infidels.
They drank the blood of some of the victims. When the militia arrived
to quell the violence, the cultists sprinkled themselves with blessed
powder that they thought would make them impervious to police bullets.
It didn't.

-- Today's Shi'ite theocracy in Iran -- "the government of God on
earth" -- decreed that Baha'i believers who won't convert shall be
killed. About 200 stubborn Baha'is were executed in the early 1980s,
including women and teenagers. Up to 40,000 Baha'is fled the country.
Sex taboos in Iran are so severe that: (1) any woman who shows a lock
of hair is jailed; (2) Western magazines being shipped into the
country first go to censors who laboriously black out all women's
photos except for faces; (3) women aren't allowed to ski with men, but
have a separate slope where they may ski in shrouds.

-- The lovely island nation of Sri Lanka has been turned hellish by
ambushes and massacres between Buddhist Sinhalese and Hindu Tamils.

-- In 1983 a revered Muslim leader, Mufti Sheikh Sa'ad e-Din el'Alami
of Jerusalem, issued a fatwa (an order of divine deliverance)
promising an eternal place in paradise to any Muslim assassin who
would kill President Hafiz al-Assad of Syria.

-- Sikhs want to create a separate theocracy, Khalistan (Land of the
Pure), in the Punjab region of India. Many heed the late extremist
preacher Jarnail Bhindranwale, who taught his followers that they have
a "religious duty to send opponents to hell." Throughout the 1980s
they sporadically murdered Hindus to accomplish this goal. In 1984,
after Sikh guards riddled prime minister Indira Gandhi with 50
bullets, Hindus went on a rampage that killed 5,000 Sikhs in three
days. Mobs dragged Sikhs from homes, stores, buses and trains,
chopping and pounding them to death. Some were burned alive; boys were
castrated.

-- In 1984 Shi'ite fanatics who killed and tortured Americans on a
hijacked Kuwaiti airliner at Tehran Airport said they did it "for the
pleasure of God."

Obviously, people who think religion is a force for good are looking
only at Dr. Jekyll and ignoring Mr. Hyde. They don't see the
superstitious savagery pervading both history and current events.
During the past three centuries, religion gradually lost its power
over life in Europe and America, and church horrors ended in the West.
But the poison lingered. The Nazi Holocaust was rooted in centuries of
religious hate. Historian Dagobert Runes said the long era of church
persecution killed three and a half million Jews -- and Hitler's Final
Solution was a secular continuation. Meanwhile, faith remains potent
in the Third World, where it still produces familiar results.
It's fashionable among thinking people to say that religion isn't the
real cause of today's strife in Lebanon, Sri Lanka, Northern Ireland,
India and Iran -- that sects merely provide labels for combatants. Not
so. Religion keeps the groups in hostile camps. Without it, divisions
would blur with passing generations; children would adapt to new
times, mingle, intermarry, forget ancient wounds. But religion keeps
them alien to one another.
Anything that divides people breeds inhumanity. Religion serves that
ugly purpose.
"Holy Horrors" is copyright © 1990 by James A. Haught. All rights
reserved.
The electronic version is copyright © 1997 by Internet Infidels with
the written permission of James A. Haught. All rights reserved.

End of quote-----------

I challenge you to come up with a list of more atrocities by any other
single group, and I'll give you the Nazis and the Communists
(although the Nazis were mostly christians.)




Although you might get lucky because a quick check on the net shows that
only 2.5% of the world's population are athiests in the year 2000. The
rest believe is some higher power.


So what?





http://www.religioustolerance.org/worldrel.htm

On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 02:41:47 GMT, "mike regish"
wrote:


"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
...
mike regish wrote:

Morality is doing the right thing just because you know it's the right
thing to do, not because you think some magical being is going to strike
you down from above or send you to some imaginary hell.

Who determines what the "right things" are?

In my case, I do. Duh.


That's morality and it doesn't involve religion. It only involves
evolution, something we evidently have a long way to go on. Some more
than others.

Now that is funny. Morality results from evolution. Best one I've heard
in a long time.

Learning right from wrong comes from evolution. Or better said, learning
better ways of doing things...like talking rather than fighting.

mike regish

Talk about amusing...

It used to be our government thought of war as a last resort.

No more...

On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 01:40:54 -0500, Roger
wrote:

On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 02:42:14 GMT, "mike regish"
wrote:

Yep.

mike


Because they know they are the only ones in the right and must either
convert of destroy the opposition.

Roger

Correct. It's their validation.



wrote in message
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So very true.

The world is overrunning with immoral religious types.

"Dan Luke" wrote in message
...

"Matt Barrow" wrote:
Now that is funny. Morality results from evolution. Best one
I've
heard in a long time.

What's funny about it?

It's inverted...that's what's funny about it.

Sorry, I don't know what you mean by that; please explain.

Think: cause vs. effect.
--
Matt
---------------------
Matthew W. Barrow
Site-Fill Homes, LLC.
Montrose, CO

"mike regish" wrote in message
news:Llcod.373844$wV.236352@attbi_s54...


Learning right from wrong comes from evolution.

Evolution comes from learning right from wrong.

Or better said, learning
better ways of doing things...like talking rather than fighting.

That's called "progress" and "building on foundations of knowledge".

--
Matt
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Matthew W. Barrow
Site-Fill Homes, LLC.
Montrose, CO

wrote in message
...
So very true.

The world is overrunning with immoral religious types.

Sort of, but the proper term is "ethics" (pertaining to others), not
"morality" (pertaining to self).


--
Matt
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Matthew W. Barrow
Site-Fill Homes, LLC.
Montrose, CO

On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 06:03:09 -0700, "Matt Barrow"
wrote:

wrote in message
...
So very true.

The world is overrunning with immoral religious types.

Sort of, but the proper term is "ethics" (pertaining to others), not
"morality" (pertaining to self).


You may consider blowing another person up in the name of
(jesus,allah,yahweh,god,...insert your own supreme being of preference
here) unethical, I consider it immoral.

ONE OF THE PIECES WHICH ACCOUNTS FOR WHY ALL PEOPLE WITH THE SPIRIT OF
PHILOSOPHY FIND THE RELIGIONS OF THE MASSES OFFENSIVE.

(Big Snip)

Wow.

I've seen few Usenet posts worthy of getting saved on my hard drive.

This is one of them.

Thanks for sharing that.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"