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Heavy landing 777
Hi a recent landing at Antigua in a 777 was very hard, and the pilot applied
the brakes really heavily, probaly in my assumption, because of the short runway and a slight overshoot of touch down point, also if you pass the terminal exit point i believe it would be a push back, (very expensive) as no more exit points exist, my point is does a very heavy landing strain the 777 aircraft unduly especially the undercarriage regards Frank |
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Sounds like an 'autoland'. In the U.S. pilots are required to perform a
certain number of 'autolands' in order to remain current and be able to land in conditions less than standard ILS CAT I minimums (i.e. landing in fog). The plane is not designed to autoland itself smoothly, it is designed to touch down within a specific spot on the runway and come to a complete stop quickly. The software programmers were not very interested in being smooth. BTW: In case anyone has any fantacies of being able to land a 777 by pushing an 'autoland button', an 'auto land' is actually much more difficult than just hand flying. |
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The 777 landing gear are designed to take a lot of stress. The landing
you describe does not sound like a big deal... Dean Former Boeing avionics engineer, 777 program |
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jfp wrote:
also if you pass the terminal exit point i believe it would be a push back, (very expensive) as no more exit points exist Notwithstanding that any jet can go backwards with the use of the reversers, why a push-back beyond the exit point - isn't the apron there wide enough to accommodate a 180-degree turn? Ramapriya |
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BTW: In case anyone has any fantacies of
being able to land a 777 by pushing an 'autoland button', an 'auto land' is actually much more difficult than just hand flying. So, how =do= you do an autoland? Jose -- You can choose whom to befriend, but you cannot choose whom to love. for Email, make the obvious change in the address. |
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Robert M. Gary wrote:
The plane is not designed to autoland itself smoothly, it is designed to touch down within a specific spot on the runway and come to a complete stop quickly. The 757 autolands itself smoothly as consistently as the average pilot. It comes to a stop quickly or not, depending on the Autobrakes setting chosen by the crew. Is the 777 so different? In case anyone has any fantacies [sic] of being able to land a 777 by pushing an 'autoland button', an 'auto land' is actually much more difficult than just hand flying. Psychologically, maybe, and naturally systems knowledge and proficiency is necessary, but your claim of "difficulty" needs more context. What could be easier than watching it happen, in a physical sense? Do you have actual operational flight crew experience with the airplane? Jack |
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"Jose" wrote in message .. . BTW: In case anyone has any fantacies of being able to land a 777 by pushing an 'autoland button', an 'auto land' is actually much more difficult than just hand flying. So, how =do= you do an autoland? Jose -- You can choose whom to befriend, but you cannot choose whom to love. for Email, make the obvious change in the address. Yes and can it be preformed on MS FS9? ---------------------------------- DW |
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Jack wrote: Robert M. Gary wrote: The plane is not designed to autoland itself smoothly, it is designed to touch down within a specific spot on the runway and come to a complete stop quickly. The 757 autolands itself smoothly as consistently as the average pilot. It comes to a stop quickly or not, depending on the Autobrakes setting chosen by the crew. Is the 777 so different? I guess I wouldn't consider an autoland in that series "smooth" and would challenge you to find a pilot who claims he is not smooher than the autoland system. I would describe a 767 autoland as a "thunk" and certainly not a greaser. Its not hard enough to drop things from the overheads of course, but its not something a pilot would write home about in pride had he hand flown it. I'm not sure I understand your statement about the autobrakes. Do you have knowledge of the auto brake setting on the flight the OP presented? As I recall the Boeing switch has RTO,OFF,10,20,30,MAX but that's from old memory. I didn't see the OP's description of where it was set. In case anyone has any fantacies [sic] of being able to land a 777 by pushing an 'autoland button', an 'auto land' is actually much more difficult than just hand flying. Psychologically, maybe, and naturally systems knowledge and proficiency is necessary, but your claim of "difficulty" needs more context. What could be easier than watching it happen, in a physical sense? You don't push a button and watch it happen. Its like saying shooting a GPS approach is "sitting back and watching it happen" compared to an ILS. It takes training to understand how to use your GPS system, how to set it up, etc. It takes training to understand how to use the autoland system. -Robert |
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I wasn't really suppose to be your pilot today, but I did stay in a
Holiday Inn last night. |
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