iPhone 6 Plus and iGlide

You guys who prefer iglide to Oudie, can you explain what you prefer about it? I suspect that what works best for each of us is the system with which we are most familiar. Personally, I much prefer the (highly customisable) displays on my Oudie IGC to the screen shot linked above, all data is very quick to find and to enter, and files are easy to maintain. I agree the touchscreen is not up to modern mobile phone standards but it is perfectly easy to use.

On Monday, March 30, 2015 at 4:32:16 PM UTC-7, wrote:
You guys who prefer iglide to Oudie, can you explain what you prefer about it? I suspect that what works best for each of us is the system with which we are most familiar. Personally, I much prefer the (highly customisable) displays on my Oudie IGC to the screen shot linked above, all data is very quick to find and to enter, and files are easy to maintain. I agree the touchscreen is not up to modern mobile phone standards but it is perfectly easy to use.

Hard to know even where to start. iGlide is like a modern iOS or Android app. Oudie (SYM really) is kind of like a Windows 98 app.

The iGlide display is highly configurable and also very non-modal. I can think of very few things that I would like to configure that I can't. File maintenance? You download maps, turnpoints, Flarm, airspace filed directly off the cell (or WiFi) network right into the application. You can upload your flight files same way.

A pet peeve of mine might serve as an example of the interface: From your flight screen on the Oudie, let's say you want to add a turnpoint between this one and that one. How many clicks, searches, typing etc do you have to do? In iGlide, one click, done.

The screen shot that Sean posted is not a great example, zoomed way out and not showing many features. What would you like to configure? What data would you like to see?

On Monday, March 30, 2015 at 4:47:47 PM UTC-7, jfitch wrote:
On Monday, March 30, 2015 at 4:32:16 PM UTC-7, wrote:
You guys who prefer iglide to Oudie, can you explain what you prefer about it? I suspect that what works best for each of us is the system with which we are most familiar. Personally, I much prefer the (highly customisable) displays on my Oudie IGC to the screen shot linked above, all data is very quick to find and to enter, and files are easy to maintain. I agree the touchscreen is not up to modern mobile phone standards but it is perfectly easy to use.

Hard to know even where to start. iGlide is like a modern iOS or Android app. Oudie (SYM really) is kind of like a Windows 98 app.

The iGlide display is highly configurable and also very non-modal. I can think of very few things that I would like to configure that I can't. File maintenance? You download maps, turnpoints, Flarm, airspace filed directly off the cell (or WiFi) network right into the application. You can upload your flight files same way.

A pet peeve of mine might serve as an example of the interface: From your flight screen on the Oudie, let's say you want to add a turnpoint between this one and that one. How many clicks, searches, typing etc do you have to do? In iGlide, one click, done.

The screen shot that Sean posted is not a great example, zoomed way out and not showing many features. What would you like to configure? What data would you like to see?

Can one configure a desired safety altitude added to arrival or required altitude with iglide?
I recently downloaded the simulator version of WinPilot ios (I agree, it would be nice to have a trial, simulator version for iglide as well,)and indeed it was confirmed that it only configures glide "net" to a waypoint. One needs to mentally add whatever margin one desires.
To me; that adds to the workload and only somewhat better than the handheld GPS devices.
6PK

I'll be honest I just do MATs with an AT task programmed into the Oudie and use a stopwatch countdown of the min time. As I get to the end of the assigned TPs I program potential routes into IGlide and get a feel for ETA vs time remaining...of course this all happens while I am murmuring to myself how silly it is to call MATs in what is essentially a one design class (15/18 meter). ;-). Oh well.

On Monday, March 30, 2015 at 6:05:31 PM UTC-7, 6PK wrote:
On Monday, March 30, 2015 at 4:47:47 PM UTC-7, jfitch wrote:
On Monday, March 30, 2015 at 4:32:16 PM UTC-7, wrote:
You guys who prefer iglide to Oudie, can you explain what you prefer about it? I suspect that what works best for each of us is the system with which we are most familiar. Personally, I much prefer the (highly customisable) displays on my Oudie IGC to the screen shot linked above, all data is very quick to find and to enter, and files are easy to maintain. I agree the touchscreen is not up to modern mobile phone standards but it is perfectly easy to use.

Hard to know even where to start. iGlide is like a modern iOS or Android app. Oudie (SYM really) is kind of like a Windows 98 app.

The iGlide display is highly configurable and also very non-modal. I can think of very few things that I would like to configure that I can't. File maintenance? You download maps, turnpoints, Flarm, airspace filed directly off the cell (or WiFi) network right into the application. You can upload your flight files same way.

A pet peeve of mine might serve as an example of the interface: From your flight screen on the Oudie, let's say you want to add a turnpoint between this one and that one. How many clicks, searches, typing etc do you have to do? In iGlide, one click, done.

The screen shot that Sean posted is not a great example, zoomed way out and not showing many features. What would you like to configure? What data would you like to see?

Can one configure a desired safety altitude added to arrival or required altitude with iglide?
I recently downloaded the simulator version of WinPilot ios (I agree, it would be nice to have a trial, simulator version for iglide as well,)and indeed it was confirmed that it only configures glide "net" to a waypoint. One needs to mentally add whatever margin one desires.
To me; that adds to the workload and only somewhat better than the handheld GPS devices.
6PK

Yes you can add a safety altitude. It will optionally calculate this over intervening high terrain as well. I have requested two numbers, one for terrain and one for waypoint/airport arrival (like XCSoar) but it doesn't have that yet. It continuously displays the point of terrain impact based on current course and conditions. In addition there is a flight profile nav box which shows a profile of terrain and airspace restrictions on course. Numerous nav boxes sets top and bottom can be accessed by swiping them with your finger, this works as smoothly as you would expect on an iPhone. Pinch to zoom, pan with a finger and these are non-modal. An iPhone 6 has way more processing and graphics engine horsepower than a PDA so display updates are effectively instantaneous, even though the terrain maps are detailed. The choice of terrain depiction is better than Oudie as well.

One thing not well explained in the manual is the config.xml file and style..xml files. In these files a bunch of display and operational behavior can be changed to your liking. Font sizes, what shows up at what zoom, how things are labeled, etc.

I find it hard to believe that you can add a turn point between two
existing turn points with one click using iGlide. Please describe the
process.

With XCSoar on an Android I have to touch the point of interest, which
pops up info on the point, press the right arrow, and then press "Insert
into task". That's 3 clicks.

I admit you have the advantage being able to upload your flight via the
cell phone. With my CNv I have to download the flight to the USB stick,
remove the stick, walk to the hangar, and use the computer to upload the
flight. Or I can simply take my Streak close enough to the hangar to
pickup the wifi signal and upload from there. These tasks are easily
done while sipping a cold beer! ;-D

On 3/30/2015 5:47 PM, jfitch wrote:
On Monday, March 30, 2015 at 4:32:16 PM UTC-7, wrote:
You guys who prefer iglide to Oudie, can you explain what you prefer about it? I suspect that what works best for each of us is the system with which we are most familiar. Personally, I much prefer the (highly customisable) displays on my Oudie IGC to the screen shot linked above, all data is very quick to find and to enter, and files are easy to maintain. I agree the touchscreen is not up to modern mobile phone standards but it is perfectly easy to use.
Hard to know even where to start. iGlide is like a modern iOS or Android app. Oudie (SYM really) is kind of like a Windows 98 app.

The iGlide display is highly configurable and also very non-modal. I can think of very few things that I would like to configure that I can't. File maintenance? You download maps, turnpoints, Flarm, airspace filed directly off the cell (or WiFi) network right into the application. You can upload your flight files same way.

A pet peeve of mine might serve as an example of the interface: From your flight screen on the Oudie, let's say you want to add a turnpoint between this one and that one. How many clicks, searches, typing etc do you have to do? In iGlide, one click, done.

The screen shot that Sean posted is not a great example, zoomed way out and not showing many features. What would you like to configure? What data would you like to see?

--
Dan Marotta

On Tuesday, March 31, 2015 at 9:05:35 AM UTC-7, Dan Marotta wrote:
I find it hard to believe that you can add a turn point between two
existing turn points with one click using iGlide.* Please describe
the process.



With XCSoar on an Android I have to touch the point of interest,
which pops up info on the point, press the right arrow, and then
press "Insert into task".* That's 3 clicks.



I admit you have the advantage being able to upload your flight via
the cell phone.* With my CNv I have to download the flight to the
USB stick, remove the stick, walk to the hangar, and use the
computer to upload the flight.* Or I can simply take my Streak close
enough to the hangar to pickup the wifi signal and upload from
there.* These tasks are easily done while sipping a cold beer!* ;-D




On 3/30/2015 5:47 PM, jfitch wrote:



On Monday, March 30, 2015 at 4:32:16 PM UTC-7, wrote:


You guys who prefer iglide to Oudie, can you explain what you prefer about it? I suspect that what works best for each of us is the system with which we are most familiar. Personally, I much prefer the (highly customisable) displays on my Oudie IGC to the screen shot linked above, all data is very quick to find and to enter, and files are easy to maintain. I agree the touchscreen is not up to modern mobile phone standards but it is perfectly easy to use.


Hard to know even where to start. iGlide is like a modern iOS or Android app. Oudie (SYM really) is kind of like a Windows 98 app.

The iGlide display is highly configurable and also very non-modal. I can think of very few things that I would like to configure that I can't. File maintenance? You download maps, turnpoints, Flarm, airspace filed directly off the cell (or WiFi) network right into the application. You can upload your flight files same way.

A pet peeve of mine might serve as an example of the interface: From your flight screen on the Oudie, let's say you want to add a turnpoint between this one and that one. How many clicks, searches, typing etc do you have to do? In iGlide, one click, done.

The screen shot that Sean posted is not a great example, zoomed way out and not showing many features. What would you like to configure? What data would you like to see?





--

Dan Marotta

On iGlide, touch and hold for a second on the turnpoint or leg between points you want to modify, then drag to new location, it rubber bands the route and your done. If dragged near a turnpoint or airport, it will snap there.

I'm pretty familiar with XCSoar, used it for a couple of years. I'm not going to dis it - it was worth every penny I paid. However editing tasks on iGlide is far easier, no matter how you do it.

You don't "dis" it yet you mention every penny you paid...

Dan


I like the method you described for adding a turn point but think that
doing that in turbulence might add a bit of a challenge...

On 3/31/2015 3:39 PM, jfitch wrote:
On Tuesday, March 31, 2015 at 9:05:35 AM UTC-7, Dan Marotta wrote:
I find it hard to believe that you can add a turn point between two
existing turn points with one click using iGlide. Please describe
the process.



With XCSoar on an Android I have to touch the point of interest,
which pops up info on the point, press the right arrow, and then
press "Insert into task". That's 3 clicks.



I admit you have the advantage being able to upload your flight via
the cell phone. With my CNv I have to download the flight to the
USB stick, remove the stick, walk to the hangar, and use the
computer to upload the flight. Or I can simply take my Streak close
enough to the hangar to pickup the wifi signal and upload from
there. These tasks are easily done while sipping a cold beer! ;-D




On 3/30/2015 5:47 PM, jfitch wrote:



On Monday, March 30, 2015 at 4:32:16 PM UTC-7, wrote:


You guys who prefer iglide to Oudie, can you explain what you prefer about it? I suspect that what works best for each of us is the system with which we are most familiar. Personally, I much prefer the (highly customisable) displays on my Oudie IGC to the screen shot linked above, all data is very quick to find and to enter, and files are easy to maintain. I agree the touchscreen is not up to modern mobile phone standards but it is perfectly easy to use.


Hard to know even where to start. iGlide is like a modern iOS or Android app. Oudie (SYM really) is kind of like a Windows 98 app.

The iGlide display is highly configurable and also very non-modal. I can think of very few things that I would like to configure that I can't. File maintenance? You download maps, turnpoints, Flarm, airspace filed directly off the cell (or WiFi) network right into the application. You can upload your flight files same way.

A pet peeve of mine might serve as an example of the interface: From your flight screen on the Oudie, let's say you want to add a turnpoint between this one and that one. How many clicks, searches, typing etc do you have to do? In iGlide, one click, done.

The screen shot that Sean posted is not a great example, zoomed way out and not showing many features. What would you like to configure? What data would you like to see?





--

Dan Marotta
On iGlide, touch and hold for a second on the turnpoint or leg between points you want to modify, then drag to new location, it rubber bands the route and your done. If dragged near a turnpoint or airport, it will snap there.

I'm pretty familiar with XCSoar, used it for a couple of years. I'm not going to dis it - it was worth every penny I paid. However editing tasks on iGlide is far easier, no matter how you do it.

--
Dan Marotta

On Wednesday, April 1, 2015 at 10:43:24 AM UTC-4, Dan Marotta wrote:
You don't "dis" it yet you mention every penny you paid...



Dan





I like the method you described for adding a turn point but think
that doing that in turbulence might add a bit of a challenge...




On 3/31/2015 3:39 PM, jfitch wrote:



On Tuesday, March 31, 2015 at 9:05:35 AM UTC-7, Dan Marotta wrote:


I find it hard to believe that you can add a turn point between two
existing turn points with one click using iGlide.* Please describe
the process.



With XCSoar on an Android I have to touch the point of interest,
which pops up info on the point, press the right arrow, and then
press "Insert into task".* That's 3 clicks.



I admit you have the advantage being able to upload your flight via
the cell phone.* With my CNv I have to download the flight to the
USB stick, remove the stick, walk to the hangar, and use the
computer to upload the flight.* Or I can simply take my Streak close
enough to the hangar to pickup the wifi signal and upload from
there.* These tasks are easily done while sipping a cold beer!* ;-D




On 3/30/2015 5:47 PM, jfitch wrote:



On Monday, March 30, 2015 at 4:32:16 PM UTC-7, wrote:


You guys who prefer iglide to Oudie, can you explain what you prefer about it? I suspect that what works best for each of us is the system with which we are most familiar. Personally, I much prefer the (highly customisable) displays on my Oudie IGC to the screen shot linked above, all data is very quick to find and to enter, and files are easy to maintain. I agree the touchscreen is not up to modern mobile phone standards but it is perfectly easy to use.


Hard to know even where to start. iGlide is like a modern iOS or Android app. Oudie (SYM really) is kind of like a Windows 98 app.

The iGlide display is highly configurable and also very non-modal. I can think of very few things that I would like to configure that I can't. File maintenance? You download maps, turnpoints, Flarm, airspace filed directly off the cell (or WiFi) network right into the application. You can upload your flight files same way.

A pet peeve of mine might serve as an example of the interface: From your flight screen on the Oudie, let's say you want to add a turnpoint between this one and that one. How many clicks, searches, typing etc do you have to do? In iGlide, one click, done.

The screen shot that Sean posted is not a great example, zoomed way out and not showing many features. What would you like to configure? What data would you like to see?





--

Dan Marotta


On iGlide, touch and hold for a second on the turnpoint or leg between points you want to modify, then drag to new location, it rubber bands the route and your done. If dragged near a turnpoint or airport, it will snap there.

I'm pretty familiar with XCSoar, used it for a couple of years. I'm not going to dis it - it was worth every penny I paid. However editing tasks on iGlide is far easier, no matter how you do it.





--

Dan Marotta



Anyone that doesn't absolutely hate their touch screen display in flight... isn't flying in turbulence very darned much.

-Evan (rough air aficionado)

On Wednesday, April 1, 2015 at 11:14:44 AM UTC-7, Tango Eight wrote:
On Wednesday, April 1, 2015 at 10:43:24 AM UTC-4, Dan Marotta wrote:
You don't "dis" it yet you mention every penny you paid...



Dan





I like the method you described for adding a turn point but think
that doing that in turbulence might add a bit of a challenge...




On 3/31/2015 3:39 PM, jfitch wrote:



On Tuesday, March 31, 2015 at 9:05:35 AM UTC-7, Dan Marotta wrote:


I find it hard to believe that you can add a turn point between two
existing turn points with one click using iGlide.* Please describe
the process.



With XCSoar on an Android I have to touch the point of interest,
which pops up info on the point, press the right arrow, and then
press "Insert into task".* That's 3 clicks.



I admit you have the advantage being able to upload your flight via
the cell phone.* With my CNv I have to download the flight to the
USB stick, remove the stick, walk to the hangar, and use the
computer to upload the flight.* Or I can simply take my Streak close
enough to the hangar to pickup the wifi signal and upload from
there.* These tasks are easily done while sipping a cold beer!* ;-D




On 3/30/2015 5:47 PM, jfitch wrote:



On Monday, March 30, 2015 at 4:32:16 PM UTC-7, wrote:


You guys who prefer iglide to Oudie, can you explain what you prefer about it? I suspect that what works best for each of us is the system with which we are most familiar. Personally, I much prefer the (highly customisable) displays on my Oudie IGC to the screen shot linked above, all data is very quick to find and to enter, and files are easy to maintain. I agree the touchscreen is not up to modern mobile phone standards but it is perfectly easy to use.


Hard to know even where to start. iGlide is like a modern iOS or Android app. Oudie (SYM really) is kind of like a Windows 98 app.

The iGlide display is highly configurable and also very non-modal. I can think of very few things that I would like to configure that I can't. File maintenance? You download maps, turnpoints, Flarm, airspace filed directly off the cell (or WiFi) network right into the application. You can upload your flight files same way.

A pet peeve of mine might serve as an example of the interface: From your flight screen on the Oudie, let's say you want to add a turnpoint between this one and that one. How many clicks, searches, typing etc do you have to do? In iGlide, one click, done.

The screen shot that Sean posted is not a great example, zoomed way out and not showing many features. What would you like to configure? What data would you like to see?





--

Dan Marotta


On iGlide, touch and hold for a second on the turnpoint or leg between points you want to modify, then drag to new location, it rubber bands the route and your done. If dragged near a turnpoint or airport, it will snap there.

I'm pretty familiar with XCSoar, used it for a couple of years. I'm not going to dis it - it was worth every penny I paid. However editing tasks on iGlide is far easier, no matter how you do it.





--

Dan Marotta



Anyone that doesn't absolutely hate their touch screen display in flight.... isn't flying in turbulence very darned much.

-Evan (rough air aficionado)

You say that almost like someone who sells a system that lacks a touchscreen .

If you are fan of the old fashioned way, you can edit a task in iGlide by touching the turnpoint which automatically brings up a contextual menu, then touch Insert Turnpoint or Append Turnpoint, so 2 clicks.

99% of my flying time is in the high western desert. 8 knot thermals are normal, 15 knot thermals not infrequent. I am familiar with turbulence. There are sometimes when a touchscreen can be difficult to deal with, for those times you can always use the alternative key-centric methods. Many of the objections to a touchscreen stem from the poor quality of touchscreens on PDA devices, such as the Avier/Oudie. Modern cell phone touchscreens work far better. They are also (at least in the iPhone) an in-screen technology, it's part of the LCD glass. There is no overlay interfering with screen quality or readability.

The reason a stick mounted button set works well in turbulence is your hand is located to the frame of reference of the button set by your grip. If you haven't tried this with a touchscreen, give it a try: grip the sides of the device with your thumb and fingers 2-3, touch with your index. You get the same effect, your hand and touchscreen are now located by your grip and turbulence has less effect.