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ach case would weigh 56kgs , this is way above
the critical mass of highly enriched uranium. Only a suicidal lunatic would pack enriched uranium this way and not for very long. Maybe the same lunatic would label boxes as U-235 (You know what does it mean surely).They were clearly marked as U-235 But even a lunatic would not use Gold lined boxes to ship "Yellowcake".But cases unloaded from U-234 were Gold lined. BTW Who told you that there were only 10 cases? Navy prepared and disclosed more than one doctored cargo manifests. The first one mentions ten boxes,in subsequent ones even those ten boxes disappeared. So to find the truth you must check other sources too,for example the Army Corps of Engineers which were closely associated with Manhattan Project. According to Army Corps of Engineers correspondences there were 80 such boxes,not 10. Maybe those Germans were not lunatics at all. BTW Mr.Willshaw U-234 cargo did not only contain U-235 or Blueprints of German advanced weapons .it also contain Heavy Water.(Do you remember Germans could not built a nuclear weapon because British Agents sent the ferry to bottom of rhe lake) Do you know why Manhattan Project was unable to develop a reliable Plutonium bomb triggering device in 18 months? Do you know why incompetent scientists of Manhattan Project who were unable to develop rven one working triggering device in one and half years, suddenly became soo competent and designed an excellent triggering device at the "very last moment". Bacause Manhattan Project Charlatan who "developed" triggering device at the last moment and hailed as the Father of US plutonium bomb was a member US team responsible for debriefing U-234 personel and evalutating U-234 cargo. He simply took von Ardennes trigger and he was declared with Groves approval as inventor. But he was not sole Charlatan,whole Manhattan Project was a scam. If you wonder why then try to find out why enriched uran shipments which were pretty steady inprevious months,suddenly jumped up after june14. Small note :U-234 cargo also included components of a breeder reactor,seemingly historically export oriented Germans were not able to build a breeder reactor for themselves ,but pretty capable of exporting of them. Big lies do not last for forever,75 years is a pretty good compromise,I guess. |
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However Denyav's fantasies were not pretexts for war
so this is totally irrelevant Really then Check out "Operation Northwoods" documents. Heck,I always wondered why US Military uses "British English" instead of "American English" in such explosive documents. And has nothing to do with the subject in question. You seem to forget that whole Pearl Harbor story was an Anglo conspiracy. Boston Brahmins and their masters have no Republican Guard divisions to suppress the majority,they depend on PSYOPs. |
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"Denyav" wrote in message ... ach case would weigh 56kgs , this is way above the critical mass of highly enriched uranium. Only a suicidal lunatic would pack enriched uranium this way and not for very long. Maybe the same lunatic would label boxes as U-235 (You know what does it mean surely).They were clearly marked as U-235 Says you and the conspiracy websites, the cargo manifest produced by the USN But even a lunatic would not use Gold lined boxes to ship "Yellowcake".But cases unloaded from U-234 were Gold lined. Gold lining is useful to reduce corrosion, belgian yellowcake was milled by crushing the ore and leaching out the U3O8 using sulphuric acid. A corrosion resistant can was rather useful Contrary to popular belief U-235 does not require storage in gold line containers BTW Who told you that there were only 10 cases? The USN and the U-Boat crew in their depositions and the German cargo manifest which listed "10 cases, 560 kilograms, uranium oxide for the Japanese Army " Navy prepared and disclosed more than one doctored cargo manifests. The first one mentions ten boxes,in subsequent ones even those ten boxes disappeared. Nope, I've seen the manifests So to find the truth you must check other sources too,for example the Army Corps of Engineers which were closely associated with Manhattan Project. According to Army Corps of Engineers correspondences there were 80 such boxes,not 10. Each case contained 8 cyliners Maybe those Germans were not lunatics at all. They werent , they just didnt have any enriched uranoium BTW Mr.Willshaw U-234 cargo did not only contain U-235 or Blueprints of German advanced weapons .it also contain Heavy Water.(Do you remember Germans could not built a nuclear weapon because British Agents sent the ferry to bottom of rhe lake) The Germans couldnt build a nuclear weapon because 1) They never enriched uranium in more than minute conditions 2) They never produced plutonium 3) Most importantly - they didnt know how Do you know why Manhattan Project was unable to develop a reliable Plutonium bomb triggering device in 18 months? Sure , it took around 4 years Do you know why incompetent scientists of Manhattan Project who were unable to develop rven one working triggering device in one and half years, suddenly became soo competent and designed an excellent triggering device at the "very last moment". Because thats what research gets you Bacause Manhattan Project Charlatan who "developed" triggering device at the last moment and hailed as the Father of US plutonium bomb was a member US team responsible for debriefing U-234 personel and evalutating U-234 cargo. He simply took von Ardennes trigger and he was declared with Groves approval as inventor. Von Ardennes couldnt design a trigger for a crossbow But he was not sole Charlatan,whole Manhattan Project was a scam. If you wonder why then try to find out why enriched uran shipments which were pretty steady inprevious months,suddenly jumped up after june14. They didnt Small note :U-234 cargo also included components of a breeder reactor,seemingly historically export oriented Germans were not able to build a breeder reactor for themselves ,but pretty capable of exporting of them. Thats about the silliest thing you've ever said Big lies do not last for forever,75 years is a pretty good compromise,I guess. Lies are your area of expertise not mine, Keith ----== Posted via Newsfeed.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeed.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups ---= 19 East/West-Coast Specialized Servers - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- |
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Says you and the conspiracy websites, the cargo
manifest produced by the USN Not even once ,in one ten boxes mentioned in others no boxes at all. USN manifests are designed to convince outside world that the Cargo of U-234 was not so important whereas internal correspondences,for example Army Corps of Engineers,tells a totally different story. Gold lining is useful to reduce corrosion, belgian yellowcake was milled by crushing the ore and leaching out the U3O8 using sulphuric acid. A corrosion You forgat to mention Manhattan Project too used gold lined containers to transport u-235 Contrary to popular belief U-235 does not require storage in gold line containers But Germans ,even though any material was a premium in Third Reich,stored them in Gold lined boxes. The USN and the U-Boat crew in their depositions and the German cargo manifest which listed "10 cases, 560 kilograms, uranium oxide for the Japanese Army " This the first cargo manifest prepared by the Navy,in subsequent ones there is not even ten boxes. As I said before the recently revealed correspondence between Manhattan Project and Army Corps of Engineers officials tell a totally different story. This corresponce reveal many things that nobody knew,at least officially, up to now,according to Engineers Uran was transported in 80 boxes not 10 or like later USN cargo manifest said 0 boxes. Nope, I've seen the manifests Only the first manifest mentions 10 boxes. Each case contained 8 cyliners Which means 80 containers,made of steel,lead and gold. They werent , they just didnt have any enriched uranoium Its hard to be conspiracy custodian nowadays,they had plenty of them enough to export other countries. The Germans couldnt build a nuclear weapon because 1) They never enriched uranium in more than minute conditions The country that was unable to produce sufficent U-235 in spite of 2 Billion dollar spent ,was US not Germany,the Jump in US U-235 shipments in June is solely because of seized German U-235 stocks. 2) They never produced plutonium Klein-Machow? Heck,They never produced but they were even exporting the components of Breeder reactor to Japan. Sofar for 60 YO big lies. 3) Most importantly - they didnt know how 3) Most importantly - they didnt know how Only guy who really did not know how ,was the head of Tarnforshung and your post WWII decoy namely Heisenberg. Sure , it took around 4 years Right they could do it in long time. Because thats what research gets you Interesting,can you explain how MP scientist that could not design a reliable ignitor for years ,suddenly literaly overnight ,designed a perfect ignitor at the last moment? Truth is Mr.Willshaw this scientist was a member of US team that examined U-534 cargo and he simply found Von Ardennes ignitor among cargo. For some Manhattan Projecters research meant waiting for the arrival of U-234. Von Ardennes couldnt design a trigger for a crossbow Von Ardenne,unlike Einstein or Heisenberg,was an universal Genius,he could design anything or solve any problem if he would believe that he could make money by doing this,a 30s version of Stephen Wolfram. They didnt Check the Uran shipment data. Thats about the silliest thing you've ever said If the occupation of Germany delayed only by a couple of months not only New Yorkers ,Washingtonians and Londoners had to deal with the effects of nuclear weapons,but also US Fleet in Pasific. Its really a big twist of the fate that German nuclear weapons that supposed to be used by Japanase aganist advancing US,were used by US aganist Japanese. Lies are your area of expertise not mine, Sure there is no lies in Anglo history,just bad intelligence or classified documents. |
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"Denyav" wrote in message ... Says you and the conspiracy websites, the cargo manifest produced by the USN Not even once ,in one ten boxes mentioned in others no boxes at all. USN manifests are designed to convince outside world that the Cargo of U-234 was not so important whereas internal correspondences,for example Army Corps of Engineers,tells a totally different story. Gold lining is useful to reduce corrosion, belgian yellowcake was milled by crushing the ore and leaching out the U3O8 using sulphuric acid. A corrosion You forgat to mention Manhattan Project too used gold lined containers to transport u-235 No I didnt because it aint true Contrary to popular belief U-235 does not require storage in gold line containers But Germans ,even though any material was a premium in Third Reich,stored them in Gold lined boxes. Germans had no U-235 to store The USN and the U-Boat crew in their depositions and the German cargo manifest which listed "10 cases, 560 kilograms, uranium oxide for the Japanese Army " This the first cargo manifest prepared by the Navy,in subsequent ones there is not even ten boxes. Its the one on the boat. As I said before the recently revealed correspondence between Manhattan Project and Army Corps of Engineers officials tell a totally different story. This corresponce reveal many things that nobody knew,at least officially, up to now,according to Engineers Uran was transported in 80 boxes not 10 or like later USN cargo manifest said 0 boxes. Cargo manifests are drawn up by the shipper, this was the Kriegsmarine not the USN Nope, I've seen the manifests Only the first manifest mentions 10 boxes. Each case contained 8 cyliners Which means 80 containers,made of steel,lead and gold. Steel with a lining of gold leaf They werent , they just didnt have any enriched uranoium Its hard to be conspiracy custodian nowadays,they had plenty of them enough to export other countries. The Germans couldnt build a nuclear weapon because 1) They never enriched uranium in more than minute conditions The country that was unable to produce sufficent U-235 in spite of 2 Billion dollar spent ,was US not Germany,the Jump in US U-235 shipments in June is solely because of seized German U-235 stocks. There was no such jump, By January 1945 the K-12 plant at Oak Ridge was producing 204 grams of weapons grade uranium per day 2) They never produced plutonium Klein-Machow? Was neither a reactor nor a reprocessing plant Heck,They never produced but they were even exporting the components of Breeder reactor to Japan. Sofar for 60 YO big lies. Yet no Japanese or German record of this exists nor is there any evidence for this fairy tale. 3) Most importantly - they didnt know how 3) Most importantly - they didnt know how Only guy who really did not know how ,was the head of Tarnforshung and your post WWII decoy namely Heisenberg. Sure , it took around 4 years Right they could do it in long time. Because thats what research gets you Interesting,can you explain how MP scientist that could not design a reliable ignitor for years ,suddenly literaly overnight ,designed a perfect ignitor at the last moment? Truth is Mr.Willshaw this scientist was a member of US team that examined U-534 cargo and he simply found Von Ardennes ignitor among cargo. An anonymous scientist is alleged to have found a non-existent device, my what an imagination you have. For some Manhattan Projecters research meant waiting for the arrival of U-234. Von Ardennes couldnt design a trigger for a crossbow Von Ardenne,unlike Einstein or Heisenberg,was an universal Genius,he could design anything or solve any problem if he would believe that he could make money by doing this,a 30s version of Stephen Wolfram. He was a specialist in electronics and a convinced communist who worked on nuclear weapons for the USSR after the war. He was not part of the Nazi group as he was considered a security risk. The germans were good at excluding people who were able. Keith ----== Posted via Newsfeed.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeed.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups ---= 19 East/West-Coast Specialized Servers - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- |
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No I didnt because it aint true
Yeah right then Clarence Larsen must be lying. Germans had no U-235 to store Yeah right,they used 80 gold lined ,lead-steel containers to ship only 500kgs "yellowcake". I guess the Third Reich in 1945 had more gold,steel and lead than they needed so they used every excuse to get rid of excess materials. Its the one on the boat. Interesting,could you please tell me what the Labels of containers stated? Cargo manifests are drawn up by the shipper, this was the Kriegsmarine not the USN Sure,the Shipper had also labelled the shipment containers.right? Its the one on the boat. In 2.Cargo Manifest prepared by USN on June,16 there is no Uran,enriched or not. Steel with a lining of gold leaf Again you forgat lead There was no such jump, By January 1945 the K-12 plant at Oak Ridge was producing 204 grams of weapons grade uranium per day Dare to compare production figures before and after June14. After June 14 German U-235 supplies added to Oak Ridge production. Was neither a reactor nor a reprocessing plant Yeah right ,also no heavy water found aboard U-234 and and British troops found no Heavy Water in Hamburg. Yet no Japanese or German record of this exists nor is there any evidence for this fairy tale. As far as I remember both countries,were under Anglo occupation for long time and a shameless brainwashing process carried out by Anglos in both countries. I wonder if anybody heard the names like Klein-Machow,Skoda or Pilsen in W.Germany in connection with German Nuclear program before 90s. But surely everbody heard the name of Heisenberg and his failures. An anonymous scientist is alleged to have found a non-existent device, my what an imagination you have. Not so anonymous,everbody knows who developed the triggering device for US plutonium bomb at the literally last minute.But only a few know that this scientist were among team members who investigated U-234 cargo. This Gentleman devoleped triggering device right after he checked cargo. (Before the arrival of U234 he and other MH scientists tried to develop a triggering device for 18 months,but without any success, apparently the arrival of U-234 helped to increase the IQ number of MH scientists) He was a specialist in electronics and a convinced communist who worked on nuclear weapons for the USSR after the war. He was not part of the Nazi group as he was considered a security risk. Von Ardenne a communist? I wonder when you are going to call Bill Gates or Stephen Wolfram a communist. No,he was a successfull entrepreneur,a businessman not a communist. After WWII Soviets treated him like royals and declared many German research facilities as his own personal property(Needless to say all these facilities were funded by German taxpayers and owned by 3.Reich). For example,if US occupied by a foreign power and if this foreign power declares Lawrence-Livermore and Oak Ridge Nat.Labs as the personal property of a scientist working there,this scientist would be very fond of this foreign power. The germans were good at excluding people who were able. But Manhattan Project still would only need a receiving department to take care of bomb components and fissile materials "imported" from Germany and a final assembly line and saved 2 Billion dollars. |
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"Denyav" wrote in message ... No I didnt because it aint true Yeah right then Clarence Larsen must be lying. Germans had no U-235 to store Yeah right,they used 80 gold lined ,lead-steel containers to ship only 500kgs "yellowcake". I guess the Third Reich in 1945 had more gold,steel and lead than they needed so they used every excuse to get rid of excess materials. Note the containers are not noted as being lead lined and the evidence for their being gold plated is debatable Uranium 235 is not significantly more radioactive than yellowcake, and its less corrosive than crudely milled yellowcake. It does not require lead shielding There is LESS reason to ship enriched uranium such containers than yellowcake, its a relatively stable material whereas Belgian milled yellowcake was quite acidic Shipping enriched uranium in the manner described would cause a criticallity accident Its the one on the boat. Interesting,could you please tell me what the Labels of containers stated? Cargo manifests are drawn up by the shipper, this was the Kriegsmarine not the USN Sure,the Shipper had also labelled the shipment containers.right? Correct Its the one on the boat. In 2.Cargo Manifest prepared by USN on June,16 there is no Uran,enriched or not. Steel with a lining of gold leaf Again you forgat lead There was no such jump, By January 1945 the K-12 plant at Oak Ridge was producing 204 grams of weapons grade uranium per day Dare to compare production figures before and after June14. I have , they are essentially the same with fluctuations of a few % After June 14 German U-235 supplies added to Oak Ridge production. With no noticeable effect Was neither a reactor nor a reprocessing plant Yeah right ,also no heavy water found aboard U-234 and and British troops found no Heavy Water in Hamburg. Yet no Japanese or German record of this exists nor is there any evidence for this fairy tale. As far as I remember both countries,were under Anglo occupation for long time and a shameless brainwashing process carried out by Anglos in both countries. I wonder if anybody heard the names like Klein-Machow,Skoda or Pilsen in W.Germany in connection with German Nuclear program before 90s. But surely everbody heard the name of Heisenberg and his failures. Yawn An anonymous scientist is alleged to have found a non-existent device, my what an imagination you have. Not so anonymous,everbody knows who developed the triggering device for US plutonium bomb at the literally last minute. Klaus Fuchs was acknowledged to have played a leading part in the development of implosion physics. Something the Germans had done zero work on But only a few know that this scientist were among team members who investigated U-234 cargo. Now if germany had 56 kg uranium why didnt they build a bomb ? Its s simple enough device which any competent arms factory could produce in a couple of days. The design for the Uranium bomb was frozen in feb 45 and all the parts assembled awaiting the uranium components 56 kg would have given the Germans at least 2 nuclear weapons so why did they decide to ship it to Japan rather than use them on the Red Army which was approaching Berlin ? This Gentleman devoleped triggering device right after he checked cargo. (Before the arrival of U234 he and other MH scientists tried to develop a triggering device for 18 months,but without any success, apparently the arrival of U-234 helped to increase the IQ number of MH scientists) The design of the implosion device was finished in March 45 and tested BEFORE U-234 was captured He was a specialist in electronics and a convinced communist who worked on nuclear weapons for the USSR after the war. He was not part of the Nazi group as he was considered a security risk. Von Ardenne a communist? I wonder when you are going to call Bill Gates or Stephen Wolfram a communist. No,he was a successfull entrepreneur,a businessman not a communist. Businessman my ass A report found in the archives of the DDR described him As an egotistical opportunist who could be kept in East Germany. He was described as being very greedy and horribly and a perfect collaborator. . He was llowed to set up a private research institute in Dresden (with generous state grants) and gained the nickname "the Red Baron." The institute's financial security was guaranteed through an agreement by Walter Ulbricht to allocate to it, every year, a number of state research tasks. Von Ardenne himself became an aristocrat in Ulbricht's nomenklatura state, the winner of a National Prize 1st Class (in 1958) and other awards and a member of the Volkskammer [the GDR Parliament]. Ulbricht went to great lengths to keep him sweet. He visited von Ardenne the day after he arrived at his new institute. The visit had the desired effect on the vain Baron who, thirty years later, wrote in his autobiography: "He seemed to be extraordinarily interested in our plans and stayed past lunch into the afternoon." A week later, the mayor of Dresden turned up at von Ardenne's front door and presented him with a gift from Ulbricht-a Soviet SIS limousine. Von Ardenne never had to drive the car himself; a chauffeur came with it. After WWII Soviets treated him like royals and declared many German research facilities as his own personal property(Needless to say all these facilities were funded by German taxpayers and owned by 3.Reich). The third reich was long gone by 1958 old boy. For example,if US occupied by a foreign power and if this foreign power declares Lawrence-Livermore and Oak Ridge Nat.Labs as the personal property of a scientist working there,this scientist would be very fond of this foreign power. Which means they thought he was a good communist. The germans were good at excluding people who were able. But Manhattan Project still would only need a receiving department to take care of bomb components and fissile materials "imported" from Germany and a final assembly line and saved 2 Billion dollars. Nope they spent it, Germany had no fissile materials and Von Ardenne spent the war working for the post office. He did report that a calutron could be used to enrich uranium this approach was decided to be impractical. Keith |
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Note the containers are not noted as being lead lined and the
evidence for their being gold plated is debatable According to all accounts containers were small but tremendously heavy much heavier than a steel container containing only 6 kgs "Yellowcake or U-235. There is LESS reason to ship enriched uranium such containers than yellowcake, its a relatively stable material whereas Belgian milled yellowcake was quite acidic U-235 is exteremely corrosive so it can become contaminated very easily if you store or ship it in any material other than the stable ones,and gold is one of the most stable materials. The last thing you want to do is to contaminate the very limited amounts of U-235 that you spent billions of dollars to produce during shipment or storage. Shipping enriched uranium in the manner described would cause a criticallity accident 5 or 6 kgs in a container?You must be kidding. Correct And labelling cleary stated "U-235" I have , they are essentially the same with fluctuations of a few % Till May,1.Manhattan Project was able produce only 15 kgs of U-235 in spite of long production perion and colossal plants,that was clearly predicted by many Manhattan Project scientists in late 1944. So there was no surprise here.Moreover this was the reason why Uran bomb was put on backburner and plutonium bomb got priority. Because everbody,including Groves and Oppenheimer,realized that they were not able to produce enough U-235 for even one uran bomb at the deadline set for Bomb. So they decided to give plutonium bomb that requires less Uran to produce. So,all Uran produced in 45 were sent to Hancock breeders instead of to Uran bomb production. Biggest single mistake of Manhattan Project and its scientists were their inability to recognize enourmous triggering problems involved with pluto bomb at an early stage.. On other hand Von Ardenne/Houtermanns group recognized this very early.(late 1941) and started developing a fusing device. When Groves frozen pluto bomb design in Feb 45 bomb had no reliable ignitors. So the test was assumed to be a failure and big attention was given to recover plutonium after failed test. So in May 1945,Manhattan Project was almost collapsed. They could built an Uran bomb but they had no Uran for that.(Uran shipments sent to Hancock breeders for Plutonium production) They had enough Plutonium for a Plutonium bomb but no triggering device for plutonium bomb!. This was an absolute nightmare,the worst situation imaginable. But everything changed with Jonastal occupation and with the arrival of U-235 With no noticeable effect 1)Manhattan Project that was able to produce only 15 kgs of Uran in almost one year suddenly "produced" more Uran than they needed . I would call this a very noticable effect 2)Manhattan Project that was unable to produce a trigger for plutonium bomb for 18 months suddenly produced a trigger masterpiece and performance of this trigger and bomb was 3 or 4 times better than Manhattan projects most optimistic scientists' expectations. This trigger was the fourth revision of trigger design after design was frozen in Feb.45. Trigger arrived to the test site on JULY 13,literaly at the last moment. Who was the Genius who designed this trigger at the very last moment and saved US plutonium bomb? He was Luis Alvares. The same Luis Alvares debriefed U-235 scientific passenger Dr.Schielke and acted as the the liasion person for Dr.Schielke. The Duty of Dr.Schielke was to train Japanase how to assemble the bomb. After the war Alvares always dodged questions about his "genial" solution that saved Manhattan Project. Whenever he asked how he solved seemingly unsolvable problem He answered "I cleaned up some wires". Very scientific antwort for a nobel laurate. In reality in test site superior German technology was at the work and that was the reason why the successs of plutonium bomb exceeded even the most optimistic expectations of Manhattan Projecters. Many Manhattan Projecters apparently forgat how good were the Germans in science and technology. Klaus Fuchs was acknowledged to have played a leading part in the development of implosion physics. Something the Germans had done zero work on Klaus Fuchs was acknowledged to have played a leading part in the development of implosion physics. Something the Germans had done zero work on Worlds first plutonium bomb used a German triggering device developed by Von Ardenne/Houtermanns group and stolen by Luis Alvares from U-234 Now if germany had 56 kg uranium why didnt they build a bomb ? They were waiting for America-Rocket,unlike general assumptions German Nuclear program was on schedule but America rocket was delayed. ts s simple enough device which any competent arms factory could produce in a couple of days. The design for the Uranium bomb was frozen in feb 45 and all the parts assembled awaiting the uranium components If its so simple why Manhattan Project were unable to produce even one reliable design in 18 months is spite of use of computers in devepment. Why ignitor design changed 4 times after design was "officially" frozen in Feb.45? Why the last design arrived to test site on July 13.? Why Luis Alvares dodged every question in four decades by saying "Oh,well,I cleaned up some wires"? Since when stealing superior German technology is called "cleaning wires"? 56 kg would have given the Germans at least 2 nuclear weapons so why did they decide to ship it to Japan rather than use them on the Red Army which was approaching Berlin ? It would mean the destruction of German capital. I heard rumors about the last minute Hitler order,but at that time Jonastal was already in American Hands. The design of the implosion device was finished in March 45 and tested BEFORE U-234 was captured Yeah right,this design revised 4 times after that,and design arrived to test site on July 13 .period. Businessman my ass Well,I agree with your words used to describe Von Ardenne,but you could use the same words to describe Rotschilds,Thyssen,Stinnes,Trump,Gates etc. war. He was not part of the Nazi group as he was considered a security risk. Wrong,Hitler was a frequent house guest of Von Ardenne. Security risk was Houtermanns not von Ardenne. A week later, the mayor of Dresden turned up at von Ardenne's front door and presented him with a gift from Ulbricht-a Soviet SIS limousine. Von Ardenne never had to drive the car himself; a chauffeur came with it. After WW II von Ardenne was treated by both Soviets and East Germans like a Royal ,no question about that. The third reich was long gone by 1958 old boy. Apparently you dont know that undergrond facilities in Lichterfelde and Klein-Machow which were disassembled and taken to the USSR were treated as von Ardennes personal property and Soviet sickle and Hammer state accepted to pay a fair market price to von Ardenne for their usage in Soviet Union. That was part of the agreement between Stalin and von Ardenne. You see von Ardenne had every reason to express his gratitude towards Soviet and German sickle&hammer states. Which means they thought he was a good communist. It proves only one thing besides being an universal genius he was also a greedy and clever businessman. Nope they spent it, Germany had no fissile materials and Von Ardenne spent the war working for the post office. He did report that a calutron could be used to enrich uranium this approach was decided to be impractical. 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"Denyav" wrote in message ... Note the containers are not noted as being lead lined and the evidence for their being gold plated is debatable According to all accounts containers were small but tremendously heavy much heavier than a steel container containing only 6 kgs "Yellowcake or U-235. Here's a clue Uranium is demser than lead There is LESS reason to ship enriched uranium such containers than yellowcake, its a relatively stable material whereas Belgian milled yellowcake was quite acidic U-235 is exteremely corrosive so it can become contaminated very easily if you store or ship it in any material other than the stable ones,and gold is one of the most stable materials. No it isnt I have handled Uranium , its used to to make ammunition for tanks, shielding for radioactive sources and trim weights for aircraft control surfaces. U-235 and U-238 are chemically identical The last thing you want to do is to contaminate the very limited amounts of U-235 that you spent billions of dollars to produce during shipment or storage. Shipping enriched uranium in the manner described would cause a criticallity accident 5 or 6 kgs in a container?You must be kidding. No way jose. The regulations for shipping U-235 limit you to 500 grams per container Correct And labelling cleary stated "U-235" I have , they are essentially the same with fluctuations of a few % Till May,1.Manhattan Project was able produce only 15 kgs of U-235 in spite of long production perion and colossal plants,that was clearly predicted by many Manhattan Project scientists in late 1944. Incorrect So there was no surprise here.Moreover this was the reason why Uran bomb was put on backburner and plutonium bomb got priority. Both got priority, thats why they built Oak Ridge AND Hanford Because everbody,including Groves and Oppenheimer,realized that they were not able to produce enough U-235 for even one uran bomb at the deadline set for Bomb. The minutes of every meeting in the period AND the information passed to the Soviets by Fuchs etc state otherwise, So they decided to give plutonium bomb that requires less Uran to produce. So,all Uran produced in 45 were sent to Hancock breeders instead of to Uran bomb production. Lets count the errors 1) The Plutonium bomb requires no U-235 2) The reactors were at Hanford 3) They went critical in September 1944 Biggest single mistake of Manhattan Project and its scientists were their inability to recognize enourmous triggering problems involved with pluto bomb at an early stage.. On other hand Von Ardenne/Houtermanns group recognized this very early.(late 1941) and started developing a fusing device. Describe this device When Groves frozen pluto bomb design in Feb 45 bomb had no reliable ignitors. So the test was assumed to be a failure and big attention was given to recover plutonium after failed test. There was no failed test So in May 1945,Manhattan Project was almost collapsed. They could built an Uran bomb but they had no Uran for that.(Uran shipments sent to Hancock breeders for Plutonium production) Nonsense They had enough Plutonium for a Plutonium bomb but no triggering device for plutonium bomb!. Describe this triggering device This was an absolute nightmare,the worst situation imaginable. But everything changed with Jonastal occupation and with the arrival of U-235 With no noticeable effect 1)Manhattan Project that was able to produce only 15 kgs of Uran in almost one year suddenly "produced" more Uran than they needed . I would call this a very noticable effect Thats what building enrichment plants does. Without plant (like Germany) no U-235 With Plant (like USA) 200 grams per day 2)Manhattan Project that was unable to produce a trigger for plutonium bomb for 18 months suddenly produced a trigger masterpiece and performance of this trigger and bomb was 3 or 4 times better than Manhattan projects most optimistic scientists' expectations. Describe this device This trigger was the fourth revision of trigger design after design was frozen in Feb.45. Trigger arrived to the test site on JULY 13,literaly at the last moment. Describe this device Who was the Genius who designed this trigger at the very last moment and saved US plutonium bomb? He was Luis Alvares. The same Luis Alvares debriefed U-235 scientific passenger Dr.Schielke and acted as the the liasion person for Dr.Schielke. The Duty of Dr.Schielke was to train Japanase how to assemble the bomb. After the war Alvares always dodged questions about his "genial" solution that saved Manhattan Project. Whenever he asked how he solved seemingly unsolvable problem He answered "I cleaned up some wires". Very scientific antwort for a nobel laurate. In reality in test site superior German technology was at the work and that was the reason why the successs of plutonium bomb exceeded even the most optimistic expectations of Manhattan Projecters. Many Manhattan Projecters apparently forgat how good were the Germans in science and technology. Klaus Fuchs was acknowledged to have played a leading part in the development of implosion physics. Something the Germans had done zero work on Klaus Fuchs was acknowledged to have played a leading part in the development of implosion physics. Something the Germans had done zero work on Worlds first plutonium bomb used a German triggering device developed by Von Ardenne/Houtermanns group and stolen by Luis Alvares from U-234 Now if germany had 56 kg uranium why didnt they build a bomb ? They were waiting for America-Rocket,unlike general assumptions German Nuclear program was on schedule but America rocket was delayed. ts s simple enough device which any competent arms factory could produce in a couple of days. The design for the Uranium bomb was frozen in feb 45 and all the parts assembled awaiting the uranium components If its so simple why Manhattan Project were unable to produce even one reliable design in 18 months is spite of use of computers in devepment. Why ignitor design changed 4 times after design was "officially" frozen in Feb.45? Why the last design arrived to test site on July 13.? Why Luis Alvares dodged every question in four decades by saying "Oh,well,I cleaned up some wires"? Since when stealing superior German technology is called "cleaning wires"? 56 kg would have given the Germans at least 2 nuclear weapons so why did they decide to ship it to Japan rather than use them on the Red Army which was approaching Berlin ? It would mean the destruction of German capital. I heard rumors about the last minute Hitler order,but at that time Jonastal was already in American Hands. Bull****, the Soviets were still on the Oder when the cargo was loaded The design of the implosion device was finished in March 45 and tested BEFORE U-234 was captured Yeah right,this design revised 4 times after that,and design arrived to test site on July 13 .period. Businessman my ass Well,I agree with your words used to describe Von Ardenne,but you could use the same words to describe Rotschilds,Thyssen,Stinnes,Trump,Gates etc. We arent discussing them , nice try at changing the subject though war. He was not part of the Nazi group as he was considered a security risk. Wrong,Hitler was a frequent house guest of Von Ardenne. Security risk was Houtermanns not von Ardenne. A week later, the mayor of Dresden turned up at von Ardenne's front door and presented him with a gift from Ulbricht-a Soviet SIS limousine. Von Ardenne never had to drive the car himself; a chauffeur came with it. After WW II von Ardenne was treated by both Soviets and East Germans like a Royal ,no question about that. Not the way they treated true Nazi believers. The third reich was long gone by 1958 old boy. Apparently you dont know that undergrond facilities in Lichterfelde and Klein-Machow which were disassembled and taken to the USSR were treated as von Ardennes personal property and Soviet sickle and Hammer state accepted to pay a fair market price to von Ardenne for their usage in Soviet Union. That was part of the agreement between Stalin and von Ardenne. You see von Ardenne had every reason to express his gratitude towards Soviet and German sickle&hammer states. Yawn Which means they thought he was a good communist. It proves only one thing besides being an universal genius he was also a greedy and clever businessman. Nope they spent it, Germany had no fissile materials and Von Ardenne spent the war working for the post office. He did report that a calutron could be used to enrich uranium this approach was decided to be impractical. Yeah right,and Manhattan Project solved gigantic problems by simply cleaning up wires. Only the ones on your tin foil hat Keith |
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Germany never managed to enrich more than a few grams of Uranium I thought that U-235 captured from German was used in the Hiroshima bomb. -- FF |
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