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Old July 1st 05, 09:37 PM
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Anyone worries about what the rising avgas price to the light plane
ownership in the U.S? I have absolutely no doubt that the average
avgas price will surpass $5/gallon in about 5 years. We'll probably
see a significant drop of GA flying, along with a big drop of the value
of used airplanes. It's really depressing just to think about it.

Maybe Lycoming should start researching Ethenol powered aero engines
:-) With global warming, we can turn Canada into a giant corn field.

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Old July 1st 05, 09:45 PM
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On 1 Jul 2005 13:37:32 -0700, "M" wrote:


Anyone worries about what the rising avgas price to the light plane
ownership in the U.S? I have absolutely no doubt that the average
avgas price will surpass $5/gallon in about 5 years. We'll probably
see a significant drop of GA flying, along with a big drop of the value
of used airplanes. It's really depressing just to think about it.


I see avgas for well over $3.00 at many airports, so $5.00 can't be
too far away. I agree 100% that this will have a negative affect on
aircraft pricing, particularly those with larger engine(s).
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Old July 1st 05, 11:43 PM
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"M" wrote in message
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Anyone worries about what the rising avgas price to the light plane
ownership in the U.S? I have absolutely no doubt that the average
avgas price will surpass $5/gallon in about 5 years. We'll probably
see a significant drop of GA flying, along with a big drop of the value
of used airplanes. It's really depressing just to think about it.

Maybe Lycoming should start researching Ethenol powered aero engines
:-) With global warming, we can turn Canada into a giant corn field.

Suddenly I feel a little better, we are around AUD $1.30 for AVGAS at
present.
This USA pricing is going to accelerate the development of these new fuel
efficient, longer TBO, less parts diesel cycle engines - just reading the
test on one in a C182 in Aust Flying Mag. However, AVTUR will probably then
go up in price.

Problem with ethanol is I believe it has less volumetric efficiency and more
prone to vapour lock but I'd be interested to hear comment.

My experience has been that alternative fuels start off well but when a
Government starts losing taxes on mainstream fuels as a consequence they
usually bump up the tax etc on the alternative fuel. LPG in Oz a classic
example.
Diesel out here is dearer than unleaded motor fuel, is a big user so not
more expensive to supply, and is cracked out of the refining process at an
earlier stage therefore probably cheaper to produce.
I might take up something cheaper like ocean yacht racing?
Brian


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Old July 2nd 05, 12:03 AM
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"M" wrote in message
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Anyone worries about what the rising avgas price to the light plane
ownership in the U.S? I have absolutely no doubt that the average
avgas price will surpass $5/gallon in about 5 years. We'll probably
see a significant drop of GA flying, along with a big drop of the value
of used airplanes. It's really depressing just to think about it.


I suspect people said the same thing when av gas went past $.50 a gallon.
The price of gasoline is still well behind the inflation curve.



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Old July 2nd 05, 12:10 AM
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My income is very far behind the inflation curve as is the price of
wheat.

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Old July 2nd 05, 12:42 AM
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On 1 Jul 2005 13:37:32 -0700, "M" wrote:


Anyone worries about what the rising avgas price to the light plane
ownership in the U.S? I have absolutely no doubt that the average
avgas price will surpass $5/gallon in about 5 years. We'll probably
see a significant drop of GA flying, along with a big drop of the value
of used airplanes. It's really depressing just to think about it.

Maybe Lycoming should start researching Ethenol powered aero engines
:-) With global warming, we can turn Canada into a giant corn field.



We have it bad in the UK where at my local airport they charge
1 pound 20 pence per litre of avgas which at current rates converts
to around 8 dollars 16 cents per US gallon.
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Old July 2nd 05, 12:53 AM
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M wrote:

We'll probably
see a significant drop of GA flying, along with a big drop of the value
of used airplanes. It's really depressing just to think about it.


Yes. With the specter of ATC fees on the horizon and continually rising
fuel prices, I am very concerned about the potential for a large drop in GA
flying, which translates to a drop in aircraft prices.

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Old July 2nd 05, 01:26 AM
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"M" wrote:

Anyone worries about what the rising avgas price to the light plane
ownership in the U.S? I have absolutely no doubt that the average
avgas price will surpass $5/gallon in about 5 years. We'll probably
see a significant drop of GA flying, along with a big drop of the
value
of used airplanes.


I agree, which is why I have temporarily abandonded the idea of moving
up to a more powerful airplane. I'm making the long-shot bet that in
five years I'll be able to pick up a used Cirrus or Lancair for half
what they're going for new now. I'll be able to by a lot of $5 avgas
with the savings. If I'm wrong, so what? I just think now is a poor
time to be buying.

It's really depressing just to think about it.


Depends on your point of view.

Maybe Lycoming should start researching Ethenol powered aero engines
:-) With global warming, we can turn Canada into a giant corn field.


??

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Dan
C172RG at BFM


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Old July 2nd 05, 04:39 AM
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On 1-Jul-2005, "SR20GOER" wrote:

Suddenly I feel a little better, we are around AUD $1.30 for AVGAS at
present.




AUD $1.30 = USD $0.98. Are we talking per gallon here (and is it imperial
or US) or per liter?

-Elliott Drucker
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Old July 2nd 05, 04:48 AM
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"Clay" wrote in message
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My income is very far behind the inflation curve as is the price of
wheat.


I would suggest a different source of income.


 




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