Avgas availability

"Matt Barrow" wrote:
"kontiki" wrote:
Floyd L. Davidson wrote:

That is because of course there are *no* proven reserves in
ANWR.
....

He's one of those who claim it's never been PROVEN that the Earth, in fact,
revolves around the Sun. The mindset, and the illogic, is all the same.

Still making up insults because you can't get past the fact that
what I posted originally was *precisely* correct, and everything
in from your article was shown to be bull**** right from the start...

What's that matter kid, can't you come up with *anything* to support
the **** you post?

--
Floyd L. Davidson http://www.apaflo.com/floyd_davidson
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska)

"Matt Barrow" wrote:

If Floyd is who I think he is, he's something of a Usenet troll who likes to

I'm just the one who (most recently, as there have been
others in the past) showed you up to be a complete
phony. You have no facts and can do nothing but post
lies to start with and insults when they are challenged.

--
Floyd L. Davidson http://www.apaflo.com/floyd_davidson
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska)

I have been somewhat following this discussion and as to the "proven
reserve" why would anyone putting out the money for what exploration
has been done want to freely share this with their competitors and a
bunch of so called experts that could not count their family jewls
twice and come up with the same answer. Oops we forgot to measure the
output, Duh, if you want to know put your money where your mouth is.
As far as the government experts how could they possibly know how
much oil is in Alaska when all the dipsticks are in Washington DC.

Lyn Wagner
N2759P

wrote:
I have been somewhat following this discussion and as to the "proven
reserve" why would anyone putting out the money for what exploration
has been done want to freely share this with their competitors and a
bunch of so called experts that could not count their family jewls
twice and come up with the same answer. Oops we forgot to measure the
output, Duh, if you want to know put your money where your mouth is.

If an oil company wants to attract investors it has to
demonstrate that it actually does have a future in oil
production. That is to say, the investors want to see
proven reserves, and the more the better.

But what you suggest is *very* true of data from seismic
work and other collection/analysis by geologists, which
is used to suggest where exploration wells should be
drilled; however, all of that is kept secret so that a
company can bid on leases that allow them to drill.

Once they are at the drilling stage there are very few
instances where secrecy is either useful or even
allowed. Nobody drilling on a State lease from Alaska
is able to keep the well data secret. The only time it
would be useful is when no other leases have been sold
in a particular area. Hence one shot wildcat
operations, generally not on State land, are the kind
that might be kept secret.

Note that this discussion was about proven reserves in
the 1002 area of ANWR. To date there has been exactly
one well drilled (KPC-1, by Chevron in 1985, on land
owned by the village of Kaktovik) in ANWR. Because they
knew they would be the only ones allowed to drill a
well, they have kept the data secret. Speculation is
that given Chevron's absolute disinterest in ANWR since,
that it must have been a dry hole.

As far as the government experts how could they possibly know how
much oil is in Alaska when all the dipsticks are in Washington DC.

Dead on.

The USGS reports and the department of the Interior's
various manipulations have all been extremely suspect.

The shift in the USGS 1988 and 1998 reports on ANWR,
from projecting oil would be in the eastern section to
claiming it will be in the western section, is just a
little too convenient for political purposes. In the
1980's it was not clear what the effects of oil
pipelines and road stretching all the way to the eastern
edge of ANWR would be, and saying the oil was in the
eastern end made it easy to justify drilling anywhere.
But by the 1990's that was environmental suicide!
Saying the oil will all be right on the western edge,
causing the least possible impact, is good politics in
terms of getting a foot in the door.

Take the USGS reports with a grain of salt. Just then
be aware that otherwise there simply is *no* indication
of *any* oil in ANWR (never mind any proven reserves!).

--
Floyd L. Davidson http://www.apaflo.com/floyd_davidson
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska)

wrote in message
ups.com...
I have been somewhat following this discussion and as to the "proven
reserve" why would anyone putting out the money for what exploration
has been done want to freely share this with their competitors and a
bunch of so called experts that could not count their family jewls
twice and come up with the same answer.

Are you familiar with leases?

Oops we forgot to measure the
output, Duh, if you want to know put your money where your mouth is.
As far as the government experts how could they possibly know how
much oil is in Alaska when all the dipsticks are in Washington DC.

Are you familiar with "attracting capital" and how said capital is used for
drilling/exploration?

MOF, are you familiar with anything other than lame, elementary school
humor?

On May 21, 1:58 am, (Floyd L. Davidson) wrote:
" wrote:
On May 20, 2:22 pm, "Matt Barrow"
wrote:
"kontiki" wrote in message

...

Floyd L. Davidson wrote:

People who want to play word games worthy only of 10 year olds
tend not to be well versed on much of anything...

Sounds like Al Gore.

Sounds like Floyd with his "exploratory well" and equating that to "proven
reserves".

I guess he thinks all those seismologists (and the rest) should pack up and
go home.

I think Matt has hit on something. It is possible that Floyd is a tree
hugger dressed up as a pilot. Hey Floyd, since this is the
rec.aviation.owning do ya care to tell us the N number of your plane?

What logical connection is there between owning an
airplane and understanding what proven reserves are?

If Matt owns an airplane, will that mean his lack of logic
is acceptable on any particular topic?

If you had a valid point, would you even know about it?

--
Floyd L. Davidson http://www.apaflo.com/floyd_davidson
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) - Hide quoted text -

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You bet...... Now whine on cause the Oil companies are gonna shove the
drilling right up your ,,well you know.


;-)

" wrote:
On May 21, 1:58 am, (Floyd L. Davidson) wrote:
" wrote:

If you had a valid point, would you even know about it?


You bet...... Now whine on cause the Oil companies are gonna shove the
drilling right up your ,,well you know.

;-)

I won the bet, that you don't have a valid point.

--
Floyd L. Davidson http://www.apaflo.com/floyd_davidson
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska)

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oups.com...
On May 21, 1:58 am, (Floyd L. Davidson) wrote:
" wrote:
On May 20, 2:22 pm, "Matt Barrow"
wrote:
"kontiki" wrote in message

...

Floyd L. Davidson wrote:

People who want to play word games worthy only of 10 year olds
tend not to be well versed on much of anything...

Sounds like Al Gore.

Sounds like Floyd with his "exploratory well" and equating that to
"proven
reserves".

I guess he thinks all those seismologists (and the rest) should pack
up and
go home.

I think Matt has hit on something. It is possible that Floyd is a tree
hugger dressed up as a pilot. Hey Floyd, since this is the
rec.aviation.owning do ya care to tell us the N number of your plane?

What logical connection is there between owning an
airplane and understanding what proven reserves are?

If Matt owns an airplane, will that mean his lack of logic
is acceptable on any particular topic?

If you had a valid point, would you even know about it?

--
Floyd L. Davidson http://www.apaflo.com/floyd_davidson
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) - Hide
quoted text -

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You bet...... Now whine on cause the Oil companies are gonna shove the
drilling right up your ,,well you know.


;-)

You've noticed Floyd's weaseling, huh? :~)

On May 21, 1:58 am, (Floyd L. Davidson) wrote:
" wrote:
On May 20, 2:22 pm, "Matt Barrow"
wrote:
"kontiki" wrote in message

...

Floyd L. Davidson wrote:

People who want to play word games worthy only of 10 year olds
tend not to be well versed on much of anything...

Sounds like Al Gore.

Sounds like Floyd with his "exploratory well" and equating that to "proven
reserves".

I guess he thinks all those seismologists (and the rest) should pack up and
go home.

I think Matt has hit on something. It is possible that Floyd is a tree
hugger dressed up as a pilot. Hey Floyd, since this is the
rec.aviation.owning do ya care to tell us the N number of your plane?

What logical connection is there between owning an
airplane and understanding what proven reserves are?

If Matt owns an airplane, will that mean his lack of logic
is acceptable on any particular topic?

If you had a valid point, would you even know about it?

--
Floyd L. Davidson http://www.apaflo.com/floyd_davidson
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) - Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You bet...... Now whine on cause the Oil companies are gonna shove the
drilling right up your ,,well you know.


;-)

"Matt Barrow" wrote:


You've noticed Floyd's weaseling, huh? :~)

I haven't seen him doing anything but posting solid information.

You, on the other hand, have done nothing but blow hot air.

....as usual.

--
Dan

"Almost all the matter that came out of the Big Bang was two specific sorts;
hydrogen, and stupidity."

-Robert Carnegie in talk.origins