Avgas availability

Matt Barrow wrote:

Of course, with the price below $2/gal, people went right back to
their old ways and consumption (and prices) went right back up.

Prices went down when the production facilities came back online; they went
back up only after the world market price went up and a couple of our
way-too-few facilities had to be brought down for service.


In Dec. of '05, 25% of the production facilities in the gulf region were
still offline when the prices dropped into the $2/gal. range. Domestic
consumption dropped drastically in Sept. and Oct. and were well below normal
in Dec, hence the price.

John Galban=====N4BQ (PA28-180)

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Robert M. Gary wrote:
On May 16, 5:52 pm, Matt Whiting wrote:
Robert M. Gary wrote:
All very true. However, lack of capacity does not result in shortages
as the OP suggests. In a free market lack of capacity or supply
results in higher prices. Now, if the democrats try to cap prices or
increase the tax on gas the restricted capacity would result in
shortages.
It absolutely does result in shortages. Capacity can't be added in zero
time even if it is economically viable to do so. And prices have to
stay high enough, long enough to attract new investment. In the mean
time, shortages will occur ever more frequently even as the prices rise
dramatically.

Matt

I'm not sure how it is where you live but here gas prices can chance
twice a day. Prices can change very quickly to reflect supply.

Same here. What is your point? A new refinery can't be built in a day
no matter how much money you have.

Matt

I'm not sure teaching an entire economics class is possible within
this forum but the short answer is, if the gov't stays out of it
prices will quickly adjust to adjust to output levels. In the stock
market supply of available stock changes by the second, as do
commondities, exchange rates, etc, in all these cases prices adjust
such that everyone can buy a share of stock, the only question is the
price. In retail fuel, prices often change more than once per day.

We have also seen how the market can and will manipulate the supply to
raise the cost to the consumer. Hence the need for regulation.

"Floyd L. Davidson" wrote in message
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"Matt Barrow" wrote:
"kontiki" wrote in message
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Matt Whiting wrote:


Anyone seeing any avgas shortages? I just learned that a local airport
(7N1) is out of gas. The FBO has a 10,000 gallon tank and ordered fuel
back in February and still hasn't received it. He ran out yesterday...

Matt

No, but I've been hearing reports that supply is very tight. The reasons
of course are this country's complete failure to improve infastructure
or explore for more supply of an important commodity.

Oh, they know where it is (Continental shelf, ANWR, etc.), so exploration
is
rather worthless.

Do you know what the know proven reserves in ANWR are?
ZERO barrels. None, nada, zip.

Got a cite for that?

[Rest of blather snipped]

"JGalban via AviationKB.com" u32749@uwe wrote in message
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Matt Barrow wrote:

Of course, with the price below $2/gal, people went right back to
their old ways and consumption (and prices) went right back up.

Prices went down when the production facilities came back online; they
went
back up only after the world market price went up and a couple of our
way-too-few facilities had to be brought down for service.


In Dec. of '05, 25% of the production facilities in the gulf region were
still offline when the prices dropped into the $2/gal. range. Domestic
consumption dropped drastically in Sept. and Oct. and were well below
normal
in Dec, hence the price.


World market price was...what?

Winter weather forcecast was...what?

Try to keep more than two facets in mind at the same time.

"MB" == Matt Barrow writes:

MB Got a cite for that?

Usenet ain't a peer reviewed journal, ferchrissake. Requests for
"cites" are almost always a signal the requestor has been effectively
out-argued. If the requestor really wanted a cite they'd google for
it.
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If I ever went to war, instead of throwing a grenade, I'd throw
one of those small pumpkins. Then maybe my enemy would pick up
the pumpkin and think about the futility of war. And that would
give me the time I need to hit him with a real grenade.
- Jack Handey

Bob Fry wrote:
"MB" == Matt Barrow writes:

MB Got a cite for that?

Usenet ain't a peer reviewed journal, ferchrissake. Requests for
"cites" are almost always a signal the requestor has been effectively
out-argued. If the requestor really wanted a cite they'd google for
it.

If there were proven reserves in ANWR Matt would have
been very happy to run out the long list he would easily
have found on google of reports detailing every drop.
But there are no proven reserves in ANWR.

--
Floyd L. Davidson http://www.apaflo.com/floyd_davidson
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska)

"Matt Barrow" wrote:
"Floyd L. Davidson" wrote:
"Matt Barrow" wrote:
Oh, they know where it is (Continental shelf, ANWR, etc.), so exploration
is
rather worthless.

Do you know what the know proven reserves in ANWR are?
ZERO barrels. None, nada, zip.

Got a cite for that?

[Rest of blather snipped]

Blather, eh? Lets see you cite *any* proven reserves in
ANWR.

First, you can start with the USGS "Arctic National
Wildlife Refuge, 1002 Area, Petroleum Assessment, 1998,
Including Economic Analysis" report the Congress,

http://pubs.usgs.gov/fs/fs-0028-01/fs-0028-01.pdf

See Figure 2, for a map that shows the location of the
one and the only exporation well ever drilled in ANWR
(by Chevron on 1985). Chevron was so tight lipped about
that particular hole that they even shipped the waste to
the Lower-48 for disposal at their own facilities rather
than risk any of it getting into the hands of a
competitor to be analyzed if it were sent to the nearby
facilities at Prudhoe Bay.

And do read the rest of the report to find where it
lists proven reserves. You might learn a lot, but it
will not give you any numbers for *proven* reserves,
because there are none.

Ball's in your court... and you might go read the rest
of that "blather" and see if it isn't just as precisely
correct as the comment about zero proven reserves i
ANWR.

--
Floyd L. Davidson http://www.apaflo.com/floyd_davidson
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska)

Does anyone have information where and how many refineries are able to
produce 100LL. Is it a problem of logistics? It is hard to imagine that all
refineries all over the world are producing cargas and all the other
derivates beside avgas on a 100% capcity!

Heard once time ago that there should only be 4 refineries which are
producing avgas. Think there was a shortage in Southafrica then. Any
thoughts why?

Harald

john smith wrote:

We have also seen how the market can and will manipulate the supply to
raise the cost to the consumer. Hence the need for regulation.

If I, as a farmer, decide the going price for beans is just too low to
make it worth the effort to plant any then the supply will go down and
perhaps the price will rise enough next year to make it worth while.

What make you think it is right (or beneficial) for the government to
step in and tell me to either plant beans (when I can't make a decent
profit doing so) or sell them at an abnormally low price becuase _it_
thinks the price is too high?