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  #31  
Old May 18th 07, 11:44 AM posted to rec.aviation.owning
kontiki
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Floyd L. Davidson wrote:


If there were proven reserves in ANWR Matt would have
been very happy to run out the long list he would easily
have found on google of reports detailing every drop.
But there are no proven reserves in ANWR.


Well instead of just letting you be the one person to make
a judgment on whether or where to drill for gas and oil why
don't we just let the energy companies do what they do best -
explore and develop energy.

Thanks.

  #32  
Old May 18th 07, 11:51 AM posted to rec.aviation.owning
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Harald T wrote:

Does anyone have information where and how many refineries are able to
produce 100LL. Is it a problem of logistics? It is hard to imagine that all
refineries all over the world are producing cargas and all the other
derivates beside avgas on a 100% capcity!

Heard once time ago that there should only be 4 refineries which are
producing avgas. Think there was a shortage in Southafrica then. Any
thoughts why?


I believe there are only three producing AVGAS now. I think part
of the problem is that for the amount invovlved its just becoming
more and more of a hassle and expense, due in part with conforming
with govt. regulations about lead and the logistics of shipping it
(can't use pipelines because of lead) and transportations costs are
rising.

  #33  
Old May 18th 07, 12:19 PM posted to rec.aviation.owning
Matt Whiting
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Bob Fry wrote:
"MB" == Matt Barrow writes:


MB Got a cite for that?

Usenet ain't a peer reviewed journal, ferchrissake. Requests for
"cites" are almost always a signal the requestor has been effectively
out-argued. If the requestor really wanted a cite they'd google for
it.


No, it is a sign that the requester thinks the person making the claim
is wrong. And, often on the internet this is the case.

Matt
  #34  
Old May 18th 07, 12:21 PM posted to rec.aviation.owning
Matt Whiting
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Harald T wrote:
Does anyone have information where and how many refineries are able to
produce 100LL. Is it a problem of logistics? It is hard to imagine that all
refineries all over the world are producing cargas and all the other
derivates beside avgas on a 100% capcity!

Heard once time ago that there should only be 4 refineries which are
producing avgas. Think there was a shortage in Southafrica then. Any
thoughts why?

Harald



Nothing more than anecdotal. The person who told me about the airport
being dry said that there are only two refineries in the USA that still
make avgas. I haven't tried to confirm that, but given the low volume I
would not find this surprising.

Matt
  #35  
Old May 18th 07, 02:25 PM posted to rec.aviation.owning
Matt Barrow[_4_]
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"john smith" wrote in message
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I'm not sure teaching an entire economics class is possible within
this forum but the short answer is, if the gov't stays out of it
prices will quickly adjust to adjust to output levels. In the stock
market supply of available stock changes by the second, as do
commondities, exchange rates, etc, in all these cases prices adjust
such that everyone can buy a share of stock, the only question is the
price. In retail fuel, prices often change more than once per day.


We have also seen how the market can and will manipulate the supply to
raise the cost to the consumer.


Cite? (and not some crackheaded commie site)

It can't be done short of government enforced markets.

Hence the need for regulation.


Oh, and government doesn't manipulte and crisis monger?

Geez, man! Get a freaking clue!


  #36  
Old May 18th 07, 02:26 PM posted to rec.aviation.owning
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"kontiki" wrote in message
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john smith wrote:

We have also seen how the market can and will manipulate the supply to
raise the cost to the consumer. Hence the need for regulation.


If I, as a farmer, decide the going price for beans is just too low to
make it worth the effort to plant any then the supply will go down and
perhaps the price will rise enough next year to make it worth while.

What make you think it is right (or beneficial) for the government to
step in and tell me to either plant beans (when I can't make a decent
profit doing so) or sell them at an abnormally low price becuase _it_
thinks the price is too high?


Because he's been inured with group/thug "thinking" during his school years?


  #37  
Old May 18th 07, 02:30 PM posted to rec.aviation.owning
Matt Barrow[_4_]
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"Floyd L. Davidson" wrote in message
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Bob Fry wrote:
"MB" == Matt Barrow writes:


MB Got a cite for that?

Usenet ain't a peer reviewed journal, ferchrissake. Requests for
"cites" are almost always a signal the requestor has been effectively
out-argued. If the requestor really wanted a cite they'd google for
it.


If there were proven reserves in ANWR Matt would have
been very happy to run out the long list he would easily
have found on google of reports detailing every drop.
But there are no proven reserves in ANWR.


Bob Fry is a long-tern Usenet nutcase...and you got suckered in!


So answer the question, you fraud!

(Note" "Davidson" is a fairly common Usenet nut in his own right: he's opne
of the "Peak Oil" crowd. These guys engage in what's called "pre-conceptual
logic", the non-logic of lower animal species, which equates quite closely
with the "Flat Earth" crowd.)


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Old May 18th 07, 02:36 PM posted to rec.aviation.owning
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"kontiki" wrote in message
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Floyd L. Davidson wrote:


If there were proven reserves in ANWR Matt would have
been very happy to run out the long list he would easily
have found on google of reports detailing every drop.
But there are no proven reserves in ANWR.


Well instead of just letting you be the one person to make
a judgment on whether or where to drill for gas and oil why
don't we just let the energy companies do what they do best -
explore and develop energy.

See my previous about Mr. Davidson.

Think of what "Proven Reserves" means. In 1900, the US "proven reserves" was
about 1 billion barrels.

Frauds like Davidson (and his eco-freak friends) are a part of the "peak
production" bunch that said US production would "peak" in the 1970's, just
like Paul Erlich said we would be starving by 1980.

Well, US production did peak in the 70's (see previous about refining
capacity), but only for a while. The peak was also a factor of regulations
espoused by folks like Davidson.

Now their efforts are blowing up and the denial is setting in.

Note, too, that total-nutcase Bob Fry has chimed in for his padded cellmate
Davidson. :~)



  #39  
Old May 18th 07, 02:38 PM posted to rec.aviation.owning
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"Floyd L. Davidson" wrote in message
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"Matt Barrow" wrote:
"Floyd L. Davidson" wrote:
"Matt Barrow" wrote:
Oh, they know where it is (Continental shelf, ANWR, etc.), so
exploration
is
rather worthless.

Do you know what the know proven reserves in ANWR are?
ZERO barrels. None, nada, zip.


Got a cite for that?

[Rest of blather snipped]


Blather, eh? Lets see you cite *any* proven reserves in
ANWR.


You made the claim, you prove it you f*cktard.


First, you can start with the USGS "Arctic National
Wildlife Refuge, 1002 Area, Petroleum Assessment, 1998,
Including Economic Analysis" report the Congress,

http://pubs.usgs.gov/fs/fs-0028-01/fs-0028-01.pdf

See Figure 2, for a map that shows the location of the
one and the only exporation well ever drilled in ANWR
(by Chevron on 1985). Chevron was so tight lipped about
that particular hole that they even shipped the waste to
the Lower-48 for disposal at their own facilities rather
than risk any of it getting into the hands of a
competitor to be analyzed if it were sent to the nearby
facilities at Prudhoe Bay.



That's not how reserves are calculated, you SFB fraud.





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Old May 18th 07, 03:09 PM posted to rec.aviation.owning
Floyd L. Davidson
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kontiki wrote:
Floyd L. Davidson wrote:

If there were proven reserves in ANWR Matt would have
been very happy to run out the long list he would easily
have found on google of reports detailing every drop.
But there are no proven reserves in ANWR.


Well instead of just letting you be the one person to make
a judgment on whether or where to drill for gas and oil why


I have never suggested such a ridiculous idea. Why are you?

don't we just let the energy companies do what they do best -
explore and develop energy.


Because the oil companies have exactly one thing in
mind, byt they are not the only ones affected. They
choose based soley on their profit margins. But for
example everyone (not just me, little one, *everyone*)
here wants to keep oil exploration out of certain areas
that are important to for local usage.

Regardless, that has *nothing* to do with the article
you replied to or the one it was responding to.

Once again, lets be precise: there has only been one
single well *ever* drilled in ANWR, and nobody other
than Chevron knows what it found; that necessarily means
there *cannot* *be* such a thing as proven reserves in
ANWR. None. Nada. Diddly squat zero. NO PROVEN
RESERVES.

--
Floyd L. Davidson http://www.apaflo.com/floyd_davidson
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska)
 




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