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Old January 13th 06, 01:38 PM posted to rec.aviation.military,rec.aviation.piloting
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How much of the American boarder with Mexico is out of radar contact?

There was some fuss about the FAA creating TFRs for the UAVs that are flying
with boarder patrol along the Mexico. Why can't the UAV just fly along
under an IFR flight plan and everyone else just avoid the little thing just
like any other plane on an IFR flight plan?

When there is so much talk about securing the boarders, I can't imagine that
there is any strip of the boarder that we can not monitor by radar.


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Old January 13th 06, 02:40 PM posted to rec.aviation.military,rec.aviation.piloting
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"John Doe" wrote in
ink.net:

How much of the American boarder with Mexico is out of radar contact?

There was some fuss about the FAA creating TFRs for the UAVs that are
flying with boarder patrol along the Mexico. Why can't the UAV just
fly along under an IFR flight plan and everyone else just avoid the
little thing just like any other plane on an IFR flight plan?

When there is so much talk about securing the boarders, I can't
imagine that there is any strip of the boarder that we can not monitor
by radar.




The UAV is primarily looking at the ground....

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Old January 13th 06, 07:08 PM posted to rec.aviation.military,rec.aviation.piloting
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"ET" wrote in message
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"John Doe" wrote in
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How much of the American boarder with Mexico is out of radar contact?

There was some fuss about the FAA creating TFRs for the UAVs that are
flying with boarder patrol along the Mexico. Why can't the UAV just
fly along under an IFR flight plan and everyone else just avoid the
little thing just like any other plane on an IFR flight plan?

When there is so much talk about securing the boarders, I can't
imagine that there is any strip of the boarder that we can not monitor
by radar.




The UAV is primarily looking at the ground....


Really? Gee and here this whole time I thought it was a cheap AWACS.....not
sh*t it's looking at the ground.

Ok, maybe I better explain my question.

The ISSUE seems to be deconfliction between the UAV flying boarder patrol
and VFR aircraft to ensure the two shall not collide.



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Old January 13th 06, 07:22 PM posted to rec.aviation.military,rec.aviation.piloting
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"John Doe" wrote in message
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The UAV is primarily looking at the ground....


Really? Gee and here this whole time I thought it was a cheap
AWACS.....not sh*t it's looking at the ground.

Ok, maybe I better explain my question.

The ISSUE seems to be deconfliction between the UAV flying boarder patrol
and VFR aircraft to ensure the two shall not collide.




The whole problem seems to be the conflict between border and boarder.
Introducing two separate and distinct subjects confuses some of our
readers.(LOL)

Tex



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Old January 13th 06, 03:27 PM posted to rec.aviation.military,rec.aviation.piloting
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"JD" == John Doe writes:
JD Why can't the UAV just fly along under an IFR flight plan and
JD everyone else just avoid the little thing just like any other
JD plane on an IFR flight plan?

Because that's not the way it works in VMC. In VMC, *everybody*
avoids everybody else visually, as well as with other aids (ATC). So
if the "little thing" is flying, and I'm flying, and it's VMC and I'm
not talking to ATC, and I don't see that "little thing", and of course
nobody is onboard the UAV to see me....midairs happen.
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Old January 13th 06, 07:12 PM posted to rec.aviation.military,rec.aviation.piloting
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"Bob Fry" wrote in message
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"JD" == John Doe writes:

JD Why can't the UAV just fly along under an IFR flight plan and
JD everyone else just avoid the little thing just like any other
JD plane on an IFR flight plan?

Because that's not the way it works in VMC. In VMC, *everybody*
avoids everybody else visually, as well as with other aids (ATC). So
if the "little thing" is flying, and I'm flying, and it's VMC and I'm
not talking to ATC, and I don't see that "little thing", and of course
nobody is onboard the UAV to see me....midairs happen.

Ok, you just contradicted yourself.

If you're flying in VMC and you don't see that "little thing", and have a
midair, it's your fault. Why does it matter if anyone is on board the UAV
or not?

Personally I think a NOTAM saying when/where the UAVs will be should be
enough for VFR pilots to avoid the thing. Why do we need a TFR?


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Old January 13th 06, 07:15 PM posted to rec.aviation.military,rec.aviation.piloting
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If you're flying in VMC and you don't see that "little thing", and have a
midair, it's your fault.


It's also partly the UAV's fault. Everything is required to see and
avaoid in VMC.

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Old January 13th 06, 07:54 PM posted to rec.aviation.military,rec.aviation.piloting
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("Jose" wrote)
It's also partly the UAV's fault. Everything is required to see and
avaoid in VMC.



That's pretty much what the 'illegals' on the ground are trying to do also -
see and avoid.


Montblack

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Old January 13th 06, 08:44 PM posted to rec.aviation.military,rec.aviation.piloting
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John Doe wrote:

If you're flying in VMC and you don't see that "little thing", and have a
midair, it's your fault. Why does it matter if anyone is on board the UAV
or not?


Who cares whose fault it is? You're much more likely to be blindsided by one of
these things than by an aircraft piloted by someone who isn't suicidal.

Personally I think a NOTAM saying when/where the UAVs will be should be
enough for VFR pilots to avoid the thing. Why do we need a TFR?


Put out a NOTAM, and the people smugglers will be able to find out what areas
aren't being patrolled at the moment.

George Patterson
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your slightly older self.
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Old January 13th 06, 10:39 PM posted to rec.aviation.military,rec.aviation.piloting
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"George Patterson" wrote \

Put out a NOTAM, and the people smugglers will be able to find out what
areas aren't being patrolled at the moment.


How about a NOTAM that says the areas involved, and the altitude the thing
will be flying at, and leave the notam in place. Then, all you have to do
is avoid, say 2000 feet and you will not hit/be hit by it.
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Jim in NC

 




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