How to Share a Flight Recorder in a Club?

Sorry boys. Yes, this is a 302A. A 302 would be a horrible choice due
to all the plumbing.

We have placed the 302A in a plastic box with an internal battery. It
is a completely standalone box, no external plumbing of any sort
necessary.

The question is: What does *YOUR* club do? Do they have something to
share amongst members besides a mechanical barograph?

ContestID67 wrote:
Sorry boys. Yes, this is a 302A. A 302 would be a horrible choice due
to all the plumbing.

We have placed the 302A in a plastic box with an internal battery. It
is a completely standalone box, no external plumbing of any sort
necessary.

The question is: What does *YOUR* club do? Do they have something to
share amongst members besides a mechanical barograph?

My club (Aero Club Albatross - ACA) purchased a couple of Colibri
units. Since we have more ships than FRs, we have it set up so each
unit can be plugged in to a standard wiring harness in any club ship.
We have an old desktop PC in the operations shack that some people
use to update the pilot name, but (as weas previously mentioned) the
main thing is to ensure that the badge or record claim specifically
identifies any anomalies in the declaration area and that the OO
explains them (e.g. "Pilot record not updated prior to flight; OO
verified that [name] was the pilot for the flight claimed")

Erik Mann
LS8-18 (P3)
State record keeper for NJ

Our club uses a Volkslogger. It is small and easily moved between gliders.
The club has a laptop we use with StrePla or SeeYou to load flight
declarations and download flight logs. We have a seperate battery used just
for the volkslogger that is easily stored in the plane, so it can be moved
to club member planes as well as club planes with no impact on the glider
wiring. The Volkslogger display provides a small, but very useful amount of
navigation information. It also will display the altitude being logged so
that you can make sure you don't appear to bust 18,000.

John Scott

ContestID67 wrote:

The question is: What does *YOUR* club do? Do they have something to
share amongst members besides a mechanical barograph?

My club, in the UK, has a collection of EW Model A and B loggers. These
do not have external power supplies: they can only operate off their
internal 9v batteries, so there's no issue with powering them.

They work well enough to handle Silver C badge requirements. Club
members usually do the C in one of the club's SZD Juniors, which do not
have GPS or and logger wiring fitted. Height and duration flights are
usually done while soaring locally, so the barometric record and OO
observation of launch and landing does the trick. Distance is usually a
flight to another suitably placed club site, so again the loggers can be
used stand-alone with our OO observing the launch and a landing
declaration signed at the destination club. The club considers that
landing at an unknown club field is a good learning experience. If the
pilot owns a GPS he can carry it to generate a trace but is discouraged
from looking at it during the flight. Once again, we think that map
reading "for real" without an instructor looking over the pilot's
shoulder is a useful bit of experience.

The club's high performance single seaters have GPS fitted (and now have
SDI C3 varios in place of their former M-Navs) and are wired to provide
a GPS data feed to our EW model A and B loggers. This works well for
tasks ranging from the BGA 100 km diploma up to Gold distance and
Diamond Goal flights.

HTH


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gregorie. | Essex, UK
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Hi,

He's not talking about a 302, it's a 302A which is a GPS flight recorder
only. There is no need to enter polar data as there is no speed to fly
director.

I use a 302A in club ships often.

I use my PDA to enter the pilot name and glider ID.

Paul Remde

wrote in message
ups.com...
Mark Dickson wrote:
I would have thought the 302 was the worst choice of
FR for swapping between gliders as it's panel mounted.

At 16:12 23 September 2006, Contestid67 wrote:
Our club has recently purchased an electronic flight
recorder
(Cambridge 302) to be used by the membership in the
various club ships.


Thanks, John

Horrible choice. I'm flying with 302 for a number of years and
love it. But if I had to do swapping between two or more gliders, well,
my preference would be a.... Barograph.
The entry of the pilot name would be the least of my worry. The
conections of electrical systems and all pneumatics will have to be
unified in all concern gliders. My suggestion would be to colour code
all conections in all used gliders in the uniform way (like the
conections in my computer). Also remember to change 302's polar file
for different gliders.
Good lack, Richard K.

Paul.. will the 302A drive a PDA in-flight with moving map?
BT

"Paul Remde" wrote in message
news:OKYRg.162075$FQ1.72636@attbi_s71...
Hi,

He's not talking about a 302, it's a 302A which is a GPS flight recorder
only. There is no need to enter polar data as there is no speed to fly
director.

I use a 302A in club ships often.

I use my PDA to enter the pilot name and glider ID.

Paul Remde

wrote in message
ups.com...
Mark Dickson wrote:
I would have thought the 302 was the worst choice of
FR for swapping between gliders as it's panel mounted.

At 16:12 23 September 2006, Contestid67 wrote:
Our club has recently purchased an electronic flight
recorder
(Cambridge 302) to be used by the membership in the
various club ships.


Thanks, John

Horrible choice. I'm flying with 302 for a number of years and
love it. But if I had to do swapping between two or more gliders, well,
my preference would be a.... Barograph.
The entry of the pilot name would be the least of my worry. The
conections of electrical systems and all pneumatics will have to be
unified in all concern gliders. My suggestion would be to colour code
all conections in all used gliders in the uniform way (like the
conections in my computer). Also remember to change 302's polar file
for different gliders.
Good lack, Richard K.

you want a technical answer.. give good details..
if we had known he was talking 302A we would have looked that one up.
everyone (most everyone) knows what a 302 is

I'm sure we all had fun.. and poking at the hapless pilots trying to remove
an install a full 302.

BT

"Paul Remde" wrote in message
news:OKYRg.162075$FQ1.72636@attbi_s71...
Hi,

He's not talking about a 302, it's a 302A which is a GPS flight recorder
only. There is no need to enter polar data as there is no speed to fly
director.

I use a 302A in club ships often.

I use my PDA to enter the pilot name and glider ID.

Paul Remde

wrote in message
ups.com...
Mark Dickson wrote:
I would have thought the 302 was the worst choice of
FR for swapping between gliders as it's panel mounted.

At 16:12 23 September 2006, Contestid67 wrote:
Our club has recently purchased an electronic flight
recorder
(Cambridge 302) to be used by the membership in the
various club ships.


Thanks, John

Horrible choice. I'm flying with 302 for a number of years and
love it. But if I had to do swapping between two or more gliders, well,
my preference would be a.... Barograph.
The entry of the pilot name would be the least of my worry. The
conections of electrical systems and all pneumatics will have to be
unified in all concern gliders. My suggestion would be to colour code
all conections in all used gliders in the uniform way (like the
conections in my computer). Also remember to change 302's polar file
for different gliders.
Good lack, Richard K.

Hi,

Yes, the 302A will power a PDA with 5V (plenty for even an iPAQ hx4700) and
it provides pressure altitude and GPS position to the PDA. It does not
provide wind or vario data (as the 302 can).

Good Soaring,

Paul Remde
Cumulus Soaring, Inc.
http://www.cumulus-soaring.com


"BTIZ" wrote in message
news:5L_Rg.1082$xI4.915@fed1read11...
Paul.. will the 302A drive a PDA in-flight with moving map?
BT

"Paul Remde" wrote in message
news:OKYRg.162075$FQ1.72636@attbi_s71...
Hi,

He's not talking about a 302, it's a 302A which is a GPS flight recorder
only. There is no need to enter polar data as there is no speed to fly
director.

I use a 302A in club ships often.

I use my PDA to enter the pilot name and glider ID.

Paul Remde

wrote in message
ups.com...
Mark Dickson wrote:
I would have thought the 302 was the worst choice of
FR for swapping between gliders as it's panel mounted.

At 16:12 23 September 2006, Contestid67 wrote:
Our club has recently purchased an electronic flight
recorder
(Cambridge 302) to be used by the membership in the
various club ships.


Thanks, John

Horrible choice. I'm flying with 302 for a number of years and
love it. But if I had to do swapping between two or more gliders, well,
my preference would be a.... Barograph.
The entry of the pilot name would be the least of my worry. The
conections of electrical systems and all pneumatics will have to be
unified in all concern gliders. My suggestion would be to colour code
all conections in all used gliders in the uniform way (like the
conections in my computer). Also remember to change 302's polar file
for different gliders.
Good lack, Richard K.