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Training Needed?
At 03:38 09 June 2011, T wrote:
Older glider certificates were issued with "aero tow only" or "ground/ winch launch only" restrictions. Those were removed in the 90s and the certificate simply says "glider. My original license was issued in 1970, it simply says "glider". The aero tow and ground launch restrictions on the license came much later, mid-80s I believe. Since I did do some auto tows back then, I was grandfathered for ground launch, but I considered it very worthwhile to get training and an endorsement for winch launch 6 or 7 years ago... Marc |
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Training Needed?
On Jun 8, 4:45*pm, CF wrote:
I've an unrestricted private glider rating issused before 1994.. I believe this measns I don't need a self launch endorsement? *What training or checkrides would I need to pilot a motorgliner like the Phoenix *S-LSAwww.phoenixairusa.com*I'm also an A&P I should be able to no my own maintenance You want to be legal or safe? My recomendation would be to get a self launch endorsement from a CFI that normally does power instruction who also has a glider rating (CFIG). It's a power plane with a good glide ratio (that should get the discussion off track) treat it like one. The time you spend with the CFI should be fun and relativley cheap compared to the original purchase price and the repair cost for the plane and yourself. SF |
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Training Needed?
get a self launch endorsement from a CFI
that normally does power instruction who also has a glider rating (CFIG). * For the USA. Note that for the CFI with glider category to instruct in self-launch sailplanes s/he must also have self-launch endorsement or be "grandfathered" by FAR 61.31(j). Finding a CFIG who has experience in that make and model self-launch sailplane is another story, and your insurance underwriters may want to add requirements. Rather than debate it, just go get the proper training from a CFIG with lots of recent experience, not just someone who flew one like yours once prior to August 4, 1997 and therefore is "grandfathered in." Be safe and proficient and that will reflect well on the sport of soaring and perhaps keep the FAA from future twiddling with the rules. There are several good CFIG who can give you the training. Look at the SSA website under "Where to Fly" and the Auxiliary Sailplane Association (ASA) website for a list of CFIG's who can train you to fly self-launch sailplanes safely. I got my self-launch endorsement from "Glider Bob" Saunders (Telluride. Colorado) in a Stemme. Stephen Dee also teaches in self- launch (in a Scheibe) and does FAA glider pilot checkrides as a Designated Pilot Examiner in Memphis, Tennessee. I'm sure others on this group can recommend a qualified CFIG for your self-launch endorsement. Burt Marfa, Texas USA |
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Training Needed?
On Jun 9, 11:27*am, Burt Compton - Marfa wrote:
get a self launch endorsement from a CFI that normally does power instruction who also has a glider rating (CFIG). * For the USA. *Note that for the CFI with glider category to instruct in self-launch sailplanes s/he must also have self-launch endorsement or be "grandfathered" by FAR 61.31(j). Finding a CFIG who has experience in that make and model self-launch sailplane is another story, and your insurance underwriters may want to add requirements. Rather than debate it, just go get the proper training from a CFIG with lots of recent experience, not just someone who flew one like yours once prior to August 4, 1997 and therefore is "grandfathered in." * Be safe and proficient and that will reflect well on the sport of soaring and perhaps keep the FAA from future twiddling with the rules. There are several good CFIG who can give you the training. * Look at the SSA website under "Where to Fly" and the Auxiliary Sailplane Association (ASA) website for a list of CFIG's who can train you to fly self-launch sailplanes safely. I got my self-launch endorsement from "Glider Bob" Saunders (Telluride. Colorado) in a Stemme. * Stephen Dee also teaches in self- launch (in a Scheibe) and does FAA glider pilot checkrides as a Designated Pilot Examiner in Memphis, Tennessee. * I'm sure others on this group can recommend a qualified CFIG for your self-launch endorsement. Burt Marfa, Texas * *USA Agree that's good advice. The situation on the need for additional training seems to have become confused by the current revision of CFR 14 part 61. It now says "The holder of a glider rating issued prior to August 4, 1997, is considered to be in compliance with the training and logbook endorsement requirements of this paragraph for the specific operating privilege for which the holder is already qualified." However, it provides no information or requirements relating to how it is determined that the holder is already qualified. An earlier version of CFR 14 part 61 had verbiage similar to "has logged pilot in command time in self launch gliders prior to (date)". So far I have not found an old part 61 version that contains that wording, but it was similar to the existing exception clause for tail wheel aircraft endorsements. (Anyone have that old version handy?) Given that the specific exception referencing pilot in command time has been eliminated, how is one to prove that one is already qualified unless the log book includes an FAA flight test, or instructor endorsement, which mine does not. BTW with over 3000 hours in gliders and over 2000 in airplanes I see no value in doing training in a touring motor glider in preparation for flying a single seat pylon self launcher. Spending a few hours with a pilot experienced in the specific self launcher would be far more valuable. Andy |
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