pilots refuse to fly with gun loons onboard

On Sat, 03 Jan 2004 01:03:57 -0700, Little John
wrote:

Flashbacks to military days.

Cleaning those latrines took its toll on you, didn't it boy.

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"Yardpilot" wrote in message
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There has been a limited redesign by an airline or two because of that.
Four-point titanium locks, reinforcing bars, things like that. Evidently
there is no industry-wide standard. FYI, a "drink cart" is not an
insubstantial piece of material. One can weigh over 300 pounds.


So can some passengers....

Be nice G. Lee doesn't fly that often.

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On Fri, 02 Jan 2004 23:09:14 GMT, "Scout"
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" Bogart " wrote in message
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On Fri, 02 Jan 2004 11:12:43 GMT, "Scout"
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" Bogart " wrote in message
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You're claiming a locked bulletproof door gave way to ramming from a
drink cart? Cite please.

Already provided.

Finally, by Mort.

No actually the message I refer to is by Jim Yanik. Which was posted
almost
24 hours before your reply. However, perhaps you hadn't gotten to that
message yet. I do note that you have chosen not to respond to his message
to
date.

Never heard of Jim Yanik. Was it posted to alt.nuke.the.usa? If not,
I didn't see it. Mort took care of Jim's oversight.

Well, that sort of settles the issue whether you are a troll or not.

plonk

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On Thu, 01 Jan 2004 18:04:33 GMT, "Scout"
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" Bogart " wrote in message
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On Thu, 01 Jan 2004 15:08:13 GMT, "Scout"
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"Bill Funk" wrote in message
news On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 10:37:33 -0700, "Kevin McCue"
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Wanna bet your life that they wouldn't miss? I wouldn't.
I'd
rather
deal
with the terrorist.
Since the Dept. of Homeland Insecurity seems to think
that
the
terrorist are likely trained ATP's how will the Air Marshal
stop
them
when
they are locked behind that now reinforced, bullet proof
cockpit
door?

The only way a terrorist could get behind that locked, bullet
proof
door is for someone to open it.
The British pliots (or rather, their union) seem to think that
having
the pilots open that door is a really good idea.

Right, which is why it was managed to be opened by a couple of
people
armed
with nothing more than a drink cart.

How did they open a locked bullet proof door with a drink cart?

They rammed the door with it.

You're claiming a locked bulletproof door gave way to ramming from a
drink cart?

I don't see why it couldn't happen. A bullet proof vest won't sto0p an
icepick.


http://johnrlott.tripod.com/op-eds/A...shalsWSJE.html

" Reinforced cockpit doors are now in place, but because of engineering
constraints few experts have much faith in their effectiveness. Last
summer, on a bet to test the doors' strength, an overnight cleaning
crew at Dulles Airport near Washington, D.C. rammed a drink cart into
one of the new doors on a United Airlines plane. The door reportedly
broke off its hinges. The doors for European airlines generally provide
even less protection."

There has been a limited redesign by an airline or two because of that.
Four-point titanium locks, reinforcing bars, things like that. Evidently
there is no industry-wide standard. FYI, a "drink cart" is not an
insubstantial piece of material. One can weigh over 300 pounds.


Get rid of the drinks cart - at least it would stop TSA bosses getting
drunk.

"pacplyer" wrote in message
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(Jim Austin) wrote in message
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nick wrote:

"Some flights to the US could be grounded after the airline pilots'
union
called on its members not to fly with armed sky marshals on board."

"Airline pilots should not take off with marshals on board, the
British
Airline Pilots' Association (Balpa) has said."

"Capt Granshaw defended pilots' right to take action and said: "Our
advice
to pilots is that until adequate written and agreed assurances are
received,
flight crew should not operate flights where sky marshals are
carried."

It's apparent that the pilots' union prefers that British planes be
available to terrorists to crash into buildings and kill Americans,
and that "nick" shares the same sentiments.


Jim,

You can only have one Captain on a ship. Ever heard of "Mutiny on the
Bounty?" You arm some idiot in the back, who has very limited
knowledge of aviation, and let him think he is charge, you have a
recipe for disaster. (in the past they've fallen asleep, left their
guns in the lavatory, shot other officers by accident, and gotten
drunk on duty. They have a boring job and they have to be accountable
to the PIC. The Brit pilot's union is correct. They don't want our
dysfunctional skymarshal program on board.

2nd Rant:
It's really amazing to me that this anti-gun society accepts shooting
down a hundred people with an air-to-air missile as necessary to
protect buildings, but at the same time is appalled at the suggestion
of the Captain being issued a side-arm to prevent this.

The issue is one of where the decision making comes from. The decision to
shoot down a plane is made at the highest political level. They have to
accountable for it and we do have sanctions if we want to apply them.

Some loon on board a plane with a gun may succeed in defending the plane but
he may not. even though I hate politicians I would rather them make the
decision that the loon who thinks he is the Lone Ranger. I think one reason
for the politicians wanting to put the sky marshals on board is to have
someone to blame when a plane comes down.

either the sky marshal failed so we have to shoot it down or
they sky marshal must have cause the plane to come down by his actions in
frustrating the terrorists.

The result is the same 200 plus people dead but the politicians are clean.

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nick wrote:

"LIBassbug" wrote in message


Box cutters could easily be concealed in shoes, up the rectum or

vagina

,


It's like Mort came from a completely different planet, isn't it?

On our planet rectums and vaginas have small openings.


Not after Mort's stuffed them full of razor blades...

Florida.


From VA downwards people get weirder.

I was going to move to Vagina but the houses were ugly.



Nick, is ignoirant. But then, he's a Brit, so that's redundant. Drug
smugglers have been using body cavities to smuggle drugs for decades. Not
far-fetched for a determined terroist to put a closed box cutter up her
vagina.

-*MORT*-


Your mother could easily put up a grenade launcher across hers.

Webzpider

" I found alligator a bit chewy, but not bad."
-*MORT*-

photographer wrote:

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nick wrote:


"LIBassbug" wrote in message



Box cutters could easily be concealed in shoes, up the rectum or

vagina


,



It's like Mort came from a completely different planet, isn't it?

On our planet rectums and vaginas have small openings.


Not after Mort's stuffed them full of razor blades...

Florida.


From VA downwards people get weirder.

I was going to move to Vagina but the houses were ugly.



And the houses don't have enough wombs;-)

If it was up to me there would be a womb in every room.

My house would be sort of a womb tomb.


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Bill Smith wrote:

On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 21:51:13 GMT, Dave Whitmarsh
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On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 13:01:03 -0800, Bill Smith
wrote:


On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 18:50:49 -0000, "nick"
wrote:


"Some flights to the US could be grounded after the airline pilots'
union
called on its members not to fly with armed sky marshals on board."

"Airline pilots should not take off with marshals on board, the
British
Airline Pilots' Association (Balpa) has said."

"Capt Granshaw defended pilots' right to take action and said: "Our
advice
to pilots is that until adequate written and agreed assurances are
received,
flight crew should not operate flights where sky marshals are
carried."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3357309.stm



LOL!. They want ONLY terrorists armed! This is, all at once, hilarious
and tragically stupid.
Bill Smith

Your inability to comprehend basic English is a huge concern, Bill old
chap.


"Written assurances". Of what? They want to be told that trained
personnel are going to be used rather than just passing guns out to
the passengers? They want to be told that if they lose control of
their aircraft it will be shot down and there might just be a few
remedies to try before then?


It's called X-ray machines at the airport check-in terminals, doofus.

We have them. Unfortunately, they're manned by low-level personnel, the
scrapings of American society and refugees from the former British and
Spanish Empire's colonies. The FBI and other agencies have proven it's
ridiculously easy to get weapons past them. Two times I've run into
difficulties with flying on a civilian airline were because of stupid, badly
trained, foreign-born flunkies (possibly not even American citizens) who
could barely speak English, and the third was with an American who probably
was in a prison work program.

On Sat, 03 Jan 2004 10:45:47 GMT, "Scout"
wrote:


" Bogart " wrote in message
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On Fri, 02 Jan 2004 23:09:14 GMT, "Scout"
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" Bogart " wrote in message
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On Fri, 02 Jan 2004 11:12:43 GMT, "Scout"
wrote:


" Bogart " wrote in message
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You're claiming a locked bulletproof door gave way to ramming from a
drink cart? Cite please.

Already provided.

Finally, by Mort.

No actually the message I refer to is by Jim Yanik. Which was posted
almost
24 hours before your reply. However, perhaps you hadn't gotten to that
message yet. I do note that you have chosen not to respond to his message
to
date.

Never heard of Jim Yanik. Was it posted to alt.nuke.the.usa? If not,
I didn't see it. Mort took care of Jim's oversight.

Well, that sort of settles the issue whether you are a troll or not.

plonk

Fair enough, long ago I pegged you for an argumentative moron.

"Dave Whitmarsh" wrote in message

Snout has already spanked your Bogart sock, Sable, is your Kensock
feeling a little masochistic as well? Snout has always been lame, but
you, Sarah dear, are even lamer.

It's a sign of Sables desperation that she uses one of her socks to back up
another of her socks.