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Eric Greenwell wrote:
Janos Bauer wrote: OscarCVox wrote: Were there any other gliders that compare to the PW5 and the AC5? std Cirrus, you still can find the manufacturer... It's a bit tricky to fly it at the beginning (all flying tail) but after 2-3 landings you will like it. Suggesting the Std Cirrus "compares" to the PW5 and the AC5 (probably meant the AC4 - AC5 is a motorglider) is a big stretch. I've flown all three, owned the Cirrus, and the "bit tricky" part extends well past the first 2-3 landinds! The other two are easier fly, and I would be safer for the "low time" pilot. Even then, there are noticeable differences between a PW5 and an AC4, such as landing speed. It always depends on the pilot. I did my basic training in IS28B2, something similar experience would help. Yes, I always have that strange feeling in my stomach when I sit in the cirrus but when I'm higher than 100m it disappears and I'm rewarded with a relatively good performance /Janos |
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I forgot to agree with the previous post: YES the trailer is really
important! Don't underestimate it!! /Janos |
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Bob,
Your old Ka-6E is stored in a hangar and still airworthy. However, the current owner has not flown it since I sold it to him eight years ago. Wayne http://www.soaridaho.com/ "Bob Gibbons" wrote in message ... On 07 Sep 2004 09:35:40 GMT, (OscarCVox) wrote: ... text deleted Avoid wood. They are lovely to fly but you have to spend so much time and money keeping them in good condition they are not worth it. Since this is a thread intended for those unfamilar with purchasing and maintaining sailplanes, I cannot let this statement go unchallenged. Older wooden sailplanes are not as robust to mishandling as the newer fiberglass gliders, and this might be a factor for a club operation. However, for a personally owned sailplane, older wooden gliders are no more difficult to keep in good flying condition than any other sailplane that is given good care. I owned and flew a Ka-6E for half a dozen years with no significant maintenance problems, and our club has a pilot who has been flying an early 60's Slingsby Skylark 4 for the past 30 years with no maintenance problems. Modern synthetic fabrics can last for decades with proper storage of the sailplane. Do not rule out a great flying (and very affordable) ship like the Ka-6 or Skylark for worries about maintenance. Bob |
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"Janos Bauer" wrote in message ... It always depends on the pilot. I did my basic training in IS28B2, something similar experience would help. Yes, I always have that strange feeling in my stomach when I sit in the cirrus but when I'm higher than 100m it disappears and I'm rewarded with a relatively good performance /Janos The IS28B2 used as a trainer will prepare a pilot to fly any high performance flapped ship. I stepped out of one into a Nimbus 2C and felt right at home. We need another trainer like the Lark to reduce some of the accidents we see as pilots transition to performance glass. Bill Daniels |
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Bill Daniels wrote:
"Janos Bauer" wrote in message ... It always depends on the pilot. I did my basic training in IS28B2, something similar experience would help. Yes, I always have that strange feeling in my stomach when I sit in the cirrus but when I'm higher than 100m it disappears and I'm rewarded with a relatively good performance /Janos The IS28B2 used as a trainer will prepare a pilot to fly any high performance flapped ship. I stepped out of one into a Nimbus 2C and felt right at home. We need another trainer like the Lark to reduce some of the accidents we see as pilots transition to performance glass. Bill Daniels Ka7 and Bergfalke also seemed to be a bit similar for me. /Janos |
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Eric Greenwell wrote:
Janos Bauer wrote: OscarCVox wrote: Were there any other gliders that compare to the PW5 and the AC5? std Cirrus, you still can find the manufacturer... It's a bit tricky to fly it at the beginning (all flying tail) but after 2-3 landings you will like it. Suggesting the Std Cirrus "compares" to the PW5 and the AC5 (probably meant the AC4 - AC5 is a motorglider) is a big stretch. I've flown all three, owned the Cirrus, and the "bit tricky" part extends well past the first 2-3 landinds! The other two are easier fly, and I would be safer for the "low time" pilot. Even then, there are noticeable differences between a PW5 and an AC4, such as landing speed. I think this guy Jeff did hang gliding, so he's gonna want to land out a lot, and thermal tight. AC-4c or Sparrowhawk or Silent or the like sounds like it for him... -- ------------+ Mark J. Boyd |
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Bob Gibbons wrote:
However, for a personally owned sailplane, older wooden gliders are no more difficult to keep in good flying condition than any other sailplane given good care. and proper storage of the sailplane. LOL. Under those conditions, a sailplane made of matchsticks and toilet paper would fare just as well. Given good care and proper storage, one can raise baby Bald Eagles too. Good luck. Stay away from wooden gliders. You don't know if they've had "good care" or "proper storage" in the past, and this may be very hard to determine. I'm reminded of the Citabrias guys with all the inspection holes in their wings. It didn't matter if you kept yours in a super dry hanger its whole life, and never flew it. The wooden AD meant you had to cut holes in the wings. So it doesn't always matter how good YOU traet it either. Stay away from wood. There's a reason it is uncommon in current aircraft manufacturing. -- ------------+ Mark J. Boyd |
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Mark James Boyd wrote:
Stay away from wooden gliders. You don't know if they've had "good care" or "proper storage" in the past, and this may be very hard to determine. All aircraft can suffer from improper care and storage. That's why you inspect them. I'm reminded of the Citabrias guys with all the inspection holes in their wings. It didn't matter if you kept yours in a super dry hanger its whole life, and never flew it. We had a Citabria that neeeded inspection. As I recall, the AD wasn't due to rot, but some Citabrias were found to have damaged spars. Eventually, but after lots of Citabrias were inspected, it was found that some (all?) of the original ones that started the AD were damaged by things like blowing over and not having repairs done, or not logged. I don't think it was primarily a wood issue in the end. We had to replace some little nails. The wooden AD meant you had to cut holes in the wings. Hey, it was just fabric. Easy to do, easy to fix. Try that with a metal or fiberglass glider. Wood doesn't fatigue like metal or fiberglass, but the metal fittings can. These are easy to inspect. Regardless, you should have whatever you buy inspected first by a person that knows the material and the aircraft. So it doesn't always matter how good YOU traet it either. Stay away from wood. There's a reason it is uncommon in current aircraft manufacturing. It is a very expensive way to make aircraft in quantity is a big reason. -- Change "netto" to "net" to email me directly Eric Greenwell Washington State USA |
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The next time someone sneers at a wooden sailplane, remind them that it is
made of a unidirectional reinforced laminated composite material consisting of micro-tubular fibres embedded in a long chain polymer matrix and having a near infinite fatigue life. tim Stay away from wooden gliders. You don't know if they've had "good care" or "proper storage" in the past, and this may be very hard to determine. ------------+ Mark J. Boyd |
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